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    For Martin. This is the nearest comparison I think I could get to that 1950s pic I sent you from Baden House. Prescot Road, Old Swan looking South. The biggest change is probably Tesco having replaced St. Oswald House tenements.




    Then subsequent zoom settings. One closer and 2 further away.


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    Then panning to the right (West) - the old cinema in full. PhilG might like this one but there is a bit of 'the setting' sun glare which couldn't be helped through the window unfortunately. Still can't quite see Gnomies house on it either.





    Then panning to the left (East) - the rooftops.







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    nice pics Ged

    Who's flat was you in

    Must have been early as ive never seen the road in Old Swan, normally chocka with traffic

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    great shots Ged
    always nice to see an area from a different vantage point.
    never noticed there was such a dip in the road at street level either.

    excellent view of the old Curzon? too, my 2nd fave old cinema building after The Abbey.
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    great pics Ged, god they bring back memories, my dad was born and bred in Sunbeam road Old Swan, I used to spend all my summer holidays there at my grandads house, everyone was so friendly and at night when I was supposed to be asleep I used to sit by the open bedroom window and listen to all the neighbours chatting in the evening as they would all meet in the street and catch up on the latest gossip, brilliant times!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by quincyg View Post
    great shots Ged
    always nice to see an area from a different vantage point.
    never noticed there was such a dip in the road at street level either.

    excellent view of the old Curzon? too, my 2nd fave old cinema building after The Abbey.
    Almost exactly the same things I would have said.
    I'd have added "One cinema from another" because Baden House is on the exact site of the (New) Regent.
    The (Old) Regent is still standing (Kwik Save).

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    Quote Originally Posted by carole1000 View Post
    great pics Ged, god they bring back memories, my dad was born and bred in Sunbeam road Old Swan, I used to spend all my summer holidays there at my grandads house, everyone was so friendly and at night when I was supposed to be asleep I used to sit by the open bedroom window and listen to all the neighbours chatting in the evening as they would all meet in the street and catch up on the latest gossip, brilliant times!!!
    Hey Carole

    I used to live in Sunbeam Road

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnomie View Post
    Hey Carole

    I used to live in Sunbeam Road
    What a small world, my grandad lived in No. 43 his surname was wynn, he died in 1977 but my brother bought his house with his then wife and they had a son Gareth, they are divorced now but my ex sister-in-law still lives there. which number were you?

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    I lived in Sunbeam from '80 to '86.It was the first house that we bought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    Almost exactly the same things I would have said.
    I'd have added "One cinema from another" because Baden House is on the exact site of the (New) Regent.
    The (Old) Regent is still standing (Kwik Save).
    oh that's where it was.
    I'm trying to picture Baden Hse in my mind...is that the one with shops or the job centre underneath?
    I'm assuming the New Regent was demolished or did they keep some of the basic structure?

    I often thought the building on the corner was an old cinema until I went past on the bus yesterday and the sunlight caught the painted over writing...it's an old co-op.
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    I lived in number 66, but not as far back as the 70's

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    Quote Originally Posted by quincyg View Post
    oh that's where it was.
    I'm trying to picture Baden Hse in my mind...is that the one with shops or the job centre underneath?
    I'm assuming the New Regent was demolished or did they keep some of the basic structure?

    I often thought the building on the corner was an old cinema until I went past on the bus yesterday and the sunlight caught the painted over writing...it's an old co-op.
    Baden House is the tower block.
    The (New) Regent closed in 1967 for immediate (& complete) demolition.

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    some pics of OLd Swan here

    http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...-Swan/?start=0

    The Kwik Save building( having work done to it at present ) is on page 4


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    Ged, what can I say . . .
    Thanks very much for these pics
    I don't know how you did it but you have got the same pic as the one you sent me from the late 60's ( which I have printed and framed ), brilliant, again thank you.

    I lived from birth ( 1961 ) till about 1989 in Fitzgerald road, then moved to Warmington rd for approx 12 years, now I'm on Queens Drive ( still in the Swan ) and these photos from the late 60's and today are superb.

    It's amazing how close the Litlewoods building looks to Old Swan.
    I worked in Crawfords ( United Biscuits ) to about 2002 then changed job to the Littlewoods Building in 2002 and what a building that was. I actually sat in the original Moores office, with the original fireplace and a mosaic glass dome in the ceiling ( never took no pics though ) and it would be a travesty if they pulled it down. It still took me about 25 mins to walk there but from your photos Ged, it looks so close.

    Talking of Queens Drive, a friend passed me a recent edition of the freebie magazine called "LINX", which fetured an article on Queens Drive, hope you don't mind if I bore you with the details: It's from Stephen Guy, West Derby Society.
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    The City Fathers had great foresight in Edwardian times when they began to build a mighty road skirting the outskirts of Liverpool to serve that new fangled machine, the motor car.
    They called it Queens Drive and it still serves as the citys ring road.
    Early stretches sprang up as new, but disconnected tree lined boulevards. Over the years, the highway absorbed quiet lanes in it's path to make the full length road we know today.
    This work was carried out before the first world war and continued into the 1920's.
    Passing through the fields of Clubmoor, the new road bypassed ancient Larkhill Lane but spared imposing Larkhill Mansion whose driveway was turned into Muirhead Avenue and grounds into Muirhead Gardens.
    The big house was finally demolished in 1962 and the present Library built.
    At about the same time, the original Larkhill gates in the central reservation of Muirhead Avenue, Tuebrook, were removed.
    At Stoneycroft, it absorbed Moss Lane and Black Horse Lane. Then at the junction with Prescot Road it encounted two beautiful Lodges guarding the drive to a splendid Mansion called Highfield House.
    The gates of this pile were situated in a hamlet caleld summer square nestling around the Black Horse Inn and a smithy with it's Blacksmith serving the local farming community.
    Highfield House, built in 1763 stood on the high ground and had once been the home of the Duchess of Athol. It ended it's days as Highfield Infirmary which later became Broadgreen Hospital.
    Other big West Derby houses affected by Queens Drive included Barnfield. This stood in front of where the Jolly Miller now stands and was demolished to improve the junction with Mill Lane.
    Atmospheric Moss House was cleared to make way for improvements at the junction with Derby Lane. Some of the sandstone from it's walls may have been incorporated into the shops built on the corner.
    There was a picturesque wood and pond on the site of a former quarry where the Queens Drive pub now stands ( the Stoneycroft ).
    A little further south glass-domed Fir Grove House was swept away opposite the junction with Alder Road - the fire station stands on the site.
    Fir Grove Farm, just down the road, also went.

    A Mystery Remains: Oak Cottage.
    Oak Cottage was apparently to make way for Queens Drive but the site remains empty to this day, next to the car wash. Only the original garden wall remains.
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    Site of Oak Cottage - Queens Drive, apologies for qualty, I took it on my camera phone !


    By the way, all of a sudden they are clearing this field as I think they are building an Old Peoples Home on the site. Cut down a tree which must have been over 100 years old
    Then again, the wife won't have far to go to visit me, if they build it

    I am passing this on as I live very, very, very close to the car wash on Queens Drive and always wondered what that empty field was, I always knew it as the Sheepy.

    Anyway, sorry to bore you all and thanks once again to Ged for getting these pics for me, Martin.

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    Behind the car wash was the scene of a big explosion many years ago. 1970's or 80's. not sure what was there or how it happened? if you look at the area now, a huge dip is in the land.

    The picture of Sandfield WAlk, is the site of the explosion. I heard it was gas? not sure really? but i do remember the huge crater in the field.
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    Gnomie, it was the site of the car wash. It used to be a garage. A man was digging out and breaking up an old Petrol Container ( the ones buried underground ) and a spark lit the fumes and he was blown to pieces. A next door neighbour of mine remembered it as the explosion was so loud AND he had bits of "shrapnel" ( for want of a better word ) all over his garden.
    It happened around the 1970's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmtmaj View Post
    Gnomie, it was the site of the car wash. It used to be a garage. A man was digging out and breaking up an old Petrol Container ( the ones buried underground ) and a spark lit the fumes and he was blown to pieces. A next door neighbour of mine remembered it as the explosion was so loud AND he had bits of "shrapnel" ( for want of a better word ) all over his garden.
    It happened around the 1970's.
    Cheers hmtmaj

    I knew my memory was not that bad

    From a fellow Stoneycrofter

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    Glad I seem to have reunited 3 ex Sunbeamers. I often go on your webby Gnomie - great Old Swan pics, I wasn't in a flat but I had to wait outside for (luckily) - all of 5 mins until some kind soul who lived there was convinced I wasn't trying to get in there to burgle or anything. It's from the staircase, but obviously encased in glass which doesn't give the very best results. It was 8pm by the way. Philip, I didn't know I was standing on the site of the new Regent , is this the only case of a replacement building not outlasting the original. So many replies to answer - thank you all. I didn't know it would cause such a response when I done a uey (ok - U turn) on Prescot road when I thought on.
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    No problem Gnomie...

    Can I just post the two pics Ged passed to me ... as I know people on here may not have seen them BUT, how he's got the same spec is uncanny.
    Hope you don't mind Ged.

    One from the late 60's


    and Geds Superb offering from 2008


    Sorry to keep saying it, buts thanks again Ged.

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    Great views there Ged!

    To be honest, I always thought that block was a office block...it has that look about it if you see what I mean.

    Strangely...I ended up going to Old Swan three days in a row last week...I seem to be attracted to it atm!
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    Glad to oblige Mart. I see you've noticed there was a better comparison pic, No.2 pic instead of No.1. Glad you posted the original in case peeps were wondering what we were on about.

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    Baden house.





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    Quote Originally Posted by GNASHER View Post
    I lived in Sunbeam from '80 to '86.It was the first house that we bought.
    Hiya Gnasher.
    Did your know the Driscoll family, I think the names were Anita, Susan, cannot remember the others, they lived next door to the Davies' cannot remember the number but think it was 50? The daughter was Carol Davies and think the mum was Brenda but again, all a long time ago, the memory is not what it used to be, god I sound ancient!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Glad I seem to have reunited 3 ex Sunbeamers. I often go on your webby Gnomie - great Old Swan pics, I wasn't in a flat but I had to wait outside for (luckily) - all of 5 mins until some kind soul who lived there was convinced I wasn't trying to get in there to burgle or anything. It's from the staircase, but obviously encased in glass which doesn't give the very best results. It was 8pm by the way. Philip, I didn't know I was standing on the site of the new Regent , is this the only case of a replacement building not outlasting the original. So many replies to answer - thank you all. I didn't know it would cause such a response when I done a uey (ok - U turn) on Prescot road when I thought on.

    Probably yes, because it was built next door to the original, which was practically unheard of.
    Usually newer cinemas replaced older ones on the same ste (for example, the Gaumonts in Anfield, Bootle and Dingle, and the Majestic).
    The New Regent was built on the site of the Highfield Lodges (mentioned by Martin), and a clause was put on the old Regent that it was never used as a cinema again (it was only 12 years old).
    The old Regent eventually became a car showroom called Casino Car Sales.

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    Great info as ever Philip
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnomie View Post
    some pics of OLd Swan here

    http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...-Swan/?start=0

    The Kwik Save building( having work done to it at present ) is on page 4

    Just been looking at your pics, brilliant of the Stanley abattoir (think that is how it is spelt), I used to work in a roofing company on the opposite side of the road, next to the small midland bank and opposite the stanly pub, used to play pool in there and had some great work do's there, is it still open? on the pictures it looked derelict. I remember the foul smell on a Thursday from the abattoir, we had to keep the windows closed. Happy days!!!

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    Carole work is goung on at the Stanley now, not sure if it will be a pub again? its been closed for a few years now. my mate Pat ran it for a while.

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    The last time I went in there Gnomie must have been back around early 80s, I remember you used to order your dinner and they would come across the road to where I worked with it, it was great.

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    Guys, is the college being refurbed or has it closed down?

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    It's closed, due to be demolished. Martin

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    Thankyou, Martin. Wow, that'll certainly change the look of Broadgreen Road. Do you know whats to be built there? (Please don't be a carpark)

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