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    Files released on UFO sightings

    This is how one person described the UFO they had seen
    Secret files on UFO sightings have been made available for the first time by the Ministry of Defence.

    The documents, which can be downloaded from the National Archives website, cover the period from 1978 to 1987.

    They include accounts of strange lights in the sky and unexplained objects being spotted by the public, armed forces and police officers.

    One man explained in great detail his "physical and psychic contact" with green aliens since he was a child.

    The writer said that one of them, called Algar, was killed in 1981 by another race of beings as he was about to make contact with the UK government.

    The letter's author said he visited their bases in the Wirral and Cheshire, while his wife reported seeing a UFO shot down over Wallasey on Merseyside.

    The eight released files are part of almost 200 files set to be made available over the next four years.

    These documents will be available to download for free for the first month.

    A spokesman for the National Archives said they were now becoming available after several requests made under the Freedom of Information Act, and also because of a "proactive move by the Ministry of Defence for an open and transparent government".

    Much of the previously classified paperwork is made up of correspondence from the public sent to government officials, such as the MoD and then-prime minister Margaret Thatcher.

    You can go. You are too old and too infirm for our purpose

    Reported alien comment to pensioner


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    Another document reveals the experiences of a 78-year-old man who alleged that he met an alien beside Basingstoke Canal in Aldershot, Hampshire in 1983.

    He said he went on board the craft, giving a detailed explanation of it, before being quizzed by the aliens about his age.


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    He was then told: "You can go. You are too old and too infirm for our purpose."

    'Britain's Roswell'

    Another letter, from the director of a group called the Wigan Ariel Phenomena Investigation Team, asks the MoD if it had a code of practice for dealing with an alien invasion.

    A further document reveals how, on 21 February 1982, a group of customers and staff at a Tunbridge Wells pub reported an unknown object with green and red flashing lights - seen heading in the direction of Gatwick airport.

    There are some reports from more official sources. The United States Air Force filed a report about two USAF policemen who saw "unusual lights outside the back gate at RAF Woodbridge" in Suffolk in December 1980.

    Let me assure this House that Her Majesty's government has never been approached by people from outer space

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    This relates to the well-known incident of an alleged alien encounter at Rendlesham Forest, dubbed "Britain's Roswell" after the supposed contact made with aliens at Roswell in the United States.

    Several drawings are visible in the files from those keen to demonstrate what they had seen.

    One such sketch was made by Metropolitan Police officers, who were called out to a house in Stanmore in the London Borough of Harrow on 26 April, 1984.

    Three officers spent an hour observing the object in the sky, which "moved erratically from side to side, up and down and to and fro, not venturing far from the original position".

    One of the Pcs, who saw the object through binoculars, described it as "circular in the middle with what appeared to be a dome on top and underneath" with different coloured lights.

    Common explanations

    Visitors to the National Archives site will also find a videocast from Nick Pope, a British UFO specialist.

    Mr Pope picked out one incident where a UFO was spotted over central London.


    A sketch of a UFO, made by a Metropolitan Police officer

    "This is a very interesting illustration that, actually, UFOs are seen in built-up areas. People have this idea they're seen in desolate, rural places.

    "There's a sighting actually on Waterloo bridge, when a number of witnesses actually stopped to look at this UFO that was seen over the Thames."

    Mr Pope said the most common explanation for UFOs were aircraft lights, bright stars and planets, satellites, meteors, or airships.

    A detailed briefing is available within the files, which was prepared by the MoD for Lord Strabolgi, then government chief whip, for a debate on UFOs in the House of Lords in January 1979.

    The briefing said that "there is nothing to indicate that UFOlogy is anything but claptrap" and that the idea of an "inter-governmental conspiracy of silence" was "the most astonishing and the most flattering claim of all".


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    The briefing goes on to say: "Let me assure this House that Her Majesty's government has never been approached by people from outer space."
    Also available on the website is a podcast from Dr David Clarke, an expert in UFO history, discussing the files.

    Dr Clarke, who is a lecturer at Sheffield Hallam University, told the BBC's Radio 4 Today programme that conspiracy theories about aliens are "very difficult to disprove".

    He said: "I doubt the disclosure of these files will convince those who believe there is an official cover-up.

    "Inevitably, some have already dismissed this release as a whitewash. For them the 'truth' still remains out there, hidden no doubt in more above top secret files hidden somewhere else."

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    I take a massive interest in UFO's not from heresay, but from footage I've seen and from my own eyes by Liverpool Airport on two occasions.

    Let's not forget that a UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - which means that if you cannot name what it is, it is a UFO - it doesn't mean a flying saucer outright.

    The most interesting book I read was 'Left t East Gate' by Larry Warren. If this was a cover up then it was a very bloody good one at that.

    http://www.amazon.com/Left-East-Gate.../dp/1569247595

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    I've watched every Roswell, Arthur C. Clarke, biopsy, Mack, Berlitz + documentaries going as well as having books on ghosts/ufo's/abductions etc and having corresponded with Jodrell Bank on the subject. Claptrap was mentioned above, it is the best description for flying saucer theories.

    It's strange it's always near airports and airbases. More likely to be natural phenonemon or caused by aircrafts or the testing of aircrafts such as the stealth sightings decades ago.

    I got the books and watched the documentaries by the way to become informed on the subject matter allowing me to reach this conclusion which of couse is only my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I've watched every Roswell, Arthur C. Clarke, biopsy, Mack, Berlitz + documentaries going as well as having books on ghosts/ufo's/abductions etc and having corresponded with Jodrell Bank on the subject. Claptrap was mentioned above, it is the best description for flying saucer theories.

    It's strange it's always near airports and airbases. More likely to be natural phenonemon or caused by aircrafts or the testing of aircrafts such as the stealth sightings decades ago.

    I got the books and watched the documentaries by the way to become informed on the subject matter allowing me to reach this conclusion which of couse is only my opinion.
    That's the thing - most lights in the sky can viewed as fireballs/earth lights/and natural lights but there are a few things that are a bit strange and don't follow the norm - that is why I think there are things out there.

    The light that I saw by the airport came down from a cloud (so wasn't a fireball). Stopped in midair and then buggered off at some daft speed back in to the cloud. Whatever it was, it defied logical G-forces for my liking.

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    I just find it funny that 99% of the population seem to think the possibility of extraterrestrial life is completely absurd, but at the same time will worship so-called Gods, whose existance, let's face it, is far less probable.

    I think it all comes down to how we're conditioned and 'brought up'. Religion is all around us as children in daily life; aliens are confined to films and story books. It's no wonder people find it more comfortable to subscribe to some kind of 'faith'.

    I like to think than visits from afar are possible, but I have no big desire to try and unearth 'facts' or prove points. Clearly, the world isn't ready for this, so if there are UFO visits, then I hope that for everyone's sake that governments do cover it up.

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    With todays awareness and technology - do you seriously think Ufo's could be covered up by hapless governments if they really didn't want to be. Should they exist - I think you're doing their powers a dis-service.

    ps- at least we know Jesius did exist for a fact. Whether he was the son of god is a question mark for some though.
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    I agree, I think the mythical Jesus as the Bible portrays was based on a real life figure.

    For the record, yes I do think UFOs could be covered up. It wouldn't be bumbling politicians in the public eye that would be responsible, it would be our security services.

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    If these critters have the technology to fly faster than the speed of light through black holes from other dimensions, then even mulder and scully would have a job on their hands. I think they'd take the piss and hover right over buck palace and zap them if they wanted to just to prove the point of their power.
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    Default UFO lands on North West Beach!

    A UFO landed on crowded Crosby beach.

    Crowds scatter in panic!

    Fact or Fiction?
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    Very good Samp.
    Fiction I would think

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    Looks like the new sports centre/baths to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samp View Post
    A UFO landed on crowded Crosby beach.

    Crowds scatter in panic!

    Fact or Fiction?
    Thats' hilarious.. and no one seems disturbed or running.. just going about their own business... good one...

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    I'm fascinated by all this kind of stuff too...
    This is a good place to find more info and debate...

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/index.php


    Still carry on with the subject here though!
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    One theory of alien bods among us humans (well, most of us are!) is that they have passed on technology that has advanced us so much.

    Now I know that there is natural progression for everything, cars, planes and the like, but I can never get my head around things like ipods.

    Take an old record player, you know how it works and I accept that. We were using record players up until the 1980's and then came CD's.

    But it is now capable of storing half the world's music on something the size of a matchbox - obviously I know how it works, 13 years in the IT industry can tell me that.

    What I can never fathom is the massive jump in technology - we're not talking an old TV set from black and white to colour and then LCD, but we're talking about things that have come up from nothing - and it seems that this power has either just been 'discovered' or presented to us.

    No I'm not saying that alien's had ipods and passed them on, but the jump in technology when it was never around is just amazing - too good to be true if you like.

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    What I have never been able to accept is that this life as we know it is all there is. I have a great belief that once we die we then evolve again into something else, although I'm hard pressed to know what it would be. How many times have you been somewhere and just 'known' where things are, even though you are certain it's your first visit? And how often have you had a 'feeling' about something and then it's happened? If you've lost a loved one, have you never been aware of them being with you at times of indecision or sadness? To me that indicates that there has to be something else after our earthly life. If there isn't then what's the point?

    I've never been to a medium or even had my palm read on the pier, but two of my daughters visited mediums a while after my husband died. The two ladies concerned were in Lancashire and Hampshire, so no connection and neither had any information about my daughters apart from their Christian name. Both girls were told about their dad's death being very sudden, and they both got personal messages from him which gave details of things that nobody could possibly have known apart from the girls. They were both very shaken afterwards but glad they'd been and treasured the messages they were given from their dad. Both the visits were on different days about a month apart, and the girls never told each other what had happened until about a year later when we were all together for a family occasion. And no we weren't drunk!

    There must be others who've had similar experiences and I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of other beings on other planets. Why are we so arrogant as to think that we are the only creatures intelligent enough to survive despite all the trials and tribulations we have in our lives.
    Rant over...sorry folks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadfael View Post
    One theory of alien bods among us humans (well, most of us are!) is that they have passed on technology that has advanced us so much.

    Now I know that there is natural progression for everything, cars, planes and the like, but I can never get my head around things like ipods.

    Take an old record player, you know how it works and I accept that. We were using record players up until the 1980's and then came CD's.

    But it is now capable of storing half the world's music on something the size of a matchbox - obviously I know how it works, 13 years in the IT industry can tell me that.

    What I can never fathom is the massive jump in technology - we're not talking an old TV set from black and white to colour and then LCD, but we're talking about things that have come up from nothing - and it seems that this power has either just been 'discovered' or presented to us.

    No I'm not saying that alien's had ipods and passed them on, but the jump in technology when it was never around is just amazing - too good to be true if you like.
    The phonograph dates from the 1800s. Solid state Digital technology from the 1960s - the theory behind it from the 1800s.

    The internal combustion engine is from the 1800s (20% efficient) as is the electric motor and current electrical power system (only 30% of generated electricity is used due to line losses, etc). Now we can do better than those two - vested interest keeps these inefficient, polluters clunking away.

    The massive leap was the Victorians (Industrial Revolution). Not much happened from the Greeks & Egyptians then skywards.

    This may make a big impact. Announced a few days ago:

    'Major discovery' from MIT'
    From Reuters
    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...080731?sp=true

    "Nocera's catalyst is made from cobalt, phosphate and an electrode that produces oxygen from water by using 90 percent less electricity than current methods, which use the costly metal platinum."

    90% less electricity to do it. Also, cheaper to make!!! Encouraging.

    OK this splits water into oxygen and hydrogen gasses, electrolysis - not new. Then the gasses used to run a fuel cell to produce electricity - not new. The reverse process of electrolysis. The fuel cell is a buffer to keep power going when no sun.

    What is new is that is uses a small amount of electricity to split the water into two gasses, previously it took a hell of a lot and was not economical. If it uses a small amount of electricity to split water then maybe this can be used in autos. Produce oxygen and hydrogen overnight, or at work, and run a fuel cell to power the car. If the electricity is so small to split and make the gasses, then maybe a battery can do it, or a solar cell auto roof. It can do away with central power stations too.

    PV cells on the roof and fuel cell in the house. Reuters say 5 years to seeing it in use.

    Things like this may make an impact to our lives in 10 years time, eliminating the energy crisis which always comes around every 15 to 20 years. And no one dies of hypothermia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasidenan View Post
    There must be others who've had similar experiences and I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of other beings on other planets. Why are we so arrogant as to think that we are the only creatures intelligent enough to survive despite all the trials and tribulations we have in our lives.
    Rant over...sorry folks
    Of all the universe we are the only life - on a small insignificant planet? nah!!!

    Yet look at earth life. The human is so far advanced over other life, you have to think we came from elsewhere and are not an original part of this planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadfael View Post

    No I'm not saying that alien's had ipods and passed them on, but the jump in technology when it was never around is just amazing - too good to be true if you like.
    This was explained in the Transformers movie. It's all from Megatron getting examined under a dam by the USA.

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    I'm the same Ged, I once went to slap Derick Acorah and when he asked me why I had done that, I told him I always like to strike a happy medium!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadfael View Post
    I'm the same Ged, I once went to slap Derick Acorah and when he asked me why I had done that, I told him I always like to strike a happy medium!
    I would have thought that he could have saw it coming
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I only visited a medium once in my life and it was a pleasurable experience and she was far better looking than her large mum.

    I visited a fortune teller in Blackpool once. There was a notice on the window.

    - Closed due to unforeseen circumstances!

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    Default The Disclosure Project 2001

    On Wednesday, May 9th 2001, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence, will establish without any doubt the reality of these phenomena, according to Dr. Steven M. Greer, director of the Disclosure Project which hosted the event.

    The Disclosure Project May 9th 2001 National Press Club Conference

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    Yea right they fly here ponce about then fly back.the point being?

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