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    Yes and closing off the roundabout exit would do that just as efficiently and effectively and much cheaper and so more likely Since the closing of St. Johns lane to normal traffic, there's no real need to turn right out of the tunnel anymore as heading South down Whitechapel - you can only go right up Crosshall st anyway and onto Dale St so you might as well go left when exiting the tunnel and onto Dale st that way. The only other reason you'd go up the bottom part of Crosshall st is to turn right back onto Victoria st to enter Manchester st for the car parking (otherwise you'd be just doubling back on yourself to go past the tunnel entrance again. I think London Road and Dale st need bringing back into the city centre as they've been dead for years.
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    I think you'd get more people back on the trains if Merseyrail stopped using those awful Class 142's on the City Line. Who on earth thought a 2-axle carriage without bogies would lend itself to a comfortable journey?

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    Here's one:
    How about extending the Northern Line from Ormskirk to Skem, using the trackbed of the line from Ormskirk-Rainford-St.Helens. I'm fairly sure the trackbed from Ormskirk through to Skem via Westhead is pretty much intact.

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    There used to be a line to Skem and a Skem station which is now the Railway pub. Thing is - they close these tracks, stations and cargo tunnels in Liverpool for a reason in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I think London Road and Dale st need bringing back into the city centre as they've been dead for years.
    You can say that again. That flyover is useless too. An underground station at London Rd on The Waterloo Tunnel would improve matters there no end.

    But the centre is moving onto the waterfront/docks, so unless the centre expands, which it should with more apartments, London Rd will be just outside the centre, with Lime St being the defining border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    There used to be a line to Skem and a Skem station which is now the Railway pub. Thing is - they close these tracks, stations and cargo tunnels in Liverpool for a reason in the first place.
    One reason was political, as the policy was to abandon rail unless Inter-City and go to road. Dr Beeching - the Road Transport Lobby was funding the Tories at the time.
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    This NYJ reporter who visited Liverpool was live on the Roger Phillips phone-in last week. She quickly saw that the Strand was a barrier between the Albert dock and the new L1 development.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120665319668169695.html




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    This NYJ reporter who visited Liverpool was live on the Roger Phillips phone-in last week. She quickly saw that the Strand was a barrier between the Albert dock and the new L1 development.
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    Ged, it doesn't take too much to figure that out. However the locals can't see it as it is in their face and always been there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    This NYJ reporter who visited Liverpool was live on the Roger Phillips phone-in last week. She quickly saw that the Strand was a barrier between the Albert dock and the new L1 development.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120665319668169695.html




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    On the whole, a very positive report without trying to gloss over problems.

    I am surprised you have chosen to pick out this negative note particularly when the writer referes to solutions in the pipeline and you will be aware of the three proposed pedestrian 'super-crossings'

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    "Liverpool is small enough that almost everywhere can be reached within less than a 25-minute walk. One drawback, however, is that most of the city's museums are stretched along the waterfront, while the rest of the major attractions are in the center of the city. They're close but separated by a busy, high-speed roadway. Tourism officials say a new shopping and entertainment area, which will have 36 buildings by 25 architects when complete, is part of a solution to merge the two areas."

    The only way to merge the two areas is get rid of the Dock Rd at that point. I wonder what their wondrous solution is? Those silly pedestrian crossings! Duh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    On the whole, a very positive report without trying to gloss over problems.
    It wasn't saying, "come here, this is what it is all about". It was saying things are happening and something good may come of it. It also had the tone of, "can they do it, once the hype has died down?" Changing from a largely working class culture, with a very poor image, to sophisticated middle class? It is happening and more top rated apartments need be built - and get the LibDems off the council as they would turn down another Brunswick Quay Tower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisO View Post
    I think you'd get more people back on the trains if Merseyrail stopped using those awful Class 142's on the City Line. Who on earth thought a 2-axle carriage without bogies would lend itself to a comfortable journey?
    Sadly the train operating compaines do not control what stock they can use, the government do. Northerns franchise expires in 2013, there is no requirement (in the franchise) for new stock before then.

    When they are replaced, I suspect a massive order will be placed, as Northern (as a whole) had been allocated 158 extra DMU carriages (and 24 extra electric) in addition to replacing life expired vehicles. These are all to be brand new and not cascaded down from other areas of the country.

    The Merseyrail northern and wirral line vehicles are leased until 2014, so I would expect an order for their replacement to be placed in late 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    It wasn't saying, "come here, this is what it is all about". It was saying things are happening and something good may come of it. It also had the tone of, "can they do it, once the hype has died down?" Changing from a largely working class culture, with a very poor image, to sophisticated middle class? It is happening and more top rated apartments need be built - and get the LibDems off the council as they would turn down another Brunswick Quay Tower.
    Brunswick was called in - effectively taking the decision awa from council. The subsequent central government recommendation was for refusal. In truth, the scheme did little for the area and demonstrated an almost wilful determination to stand alone. The architecture was moribund and lacked any reference to its location - like all Simpson's designs it could have been anywhere (and indeed it turned up later, slightly revised on the South Bank).

    Studio Egret West have started a much more responsive scheme which responds to the sense of place. It has echoes of grain silos and the port. It is lower and has some active edge at ground level. It has a better mix of residential units with more scope for a wider ranger of buyers. It works with the city's history, not against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    "Liverpool is small enough that almost everywhere can be reached within less than a 25-minute walk. One drawback, however, is that most of the city's museums are stretched along the waterfront, while the rest of the major attractions are in the center of the city. They're close but separated by a busy, high-speed roadway. Tourism officials say a new shopping and entertainment area, which will have 36 buildings by 25 architects when complete, is part of a solution to merge the two areas."

    The only way to merge the two areas is get rid of the Dock Rd at that point. I wonder what their wondrous solution is? Those silly pedestrian crossings! Duh!
    So simple! If only we'd realised that before!. Now where is that magic wand...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    There used to be a line to Skem and a Skem station which is now the Railway pub. Thing is - they close these tracks, stations and cargo tunnels in Liverpool for a reason in the first place.
    The reason is that not as many people live here that used to and that the roads have been the brave new world. Times change and we know we have to lose our dependence on the car and encourage people on to public transport. The city is working to reverse the population decline and the demand for these services will grow.



    If Liverpool only kept the population it has and are born here, then the population will be a 100,000 more in the next two generations. The effort is there to ensure that we will do better than that.

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