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    McCartney says that the song title was made up from the names above shops that he saw in London. Yesterday I was at a family grave at St Peters in Woolton and thought I would have a quick look at the grave of Eleanor Rigby. It seems to me that it is too much of a coincidence that the song title was not taken from the grave in view of the fact that 1. St Peters has a strong association with The Beatles/Quarrymen and 2. Very close to ERs grave is the grave of somebody called McKenzie (as in Father McKenzie). So is McCartney telling the truth and if not why? Could it be a decent ruse on McCartneys part to stop beatles fans wrecking the grave site?


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    The words were not all McCartney's. The words were banded about amongst them all and changed occasionally and Eleanor Rigby was chosen at the last minute.

    They may have met at the church hall, however it was not their haunt as such. There may have been something latent in his mind from seeing the name 9 years before, although not conscious of recalling the names(s).
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    Anyone who has studied genealogy knows that names repeat and repeat in different generations and different locations. I think the odds are that it is sheer coincidence that the name on the grave and the name in the song are the same.

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    For the record. Paul says the Eleanor part was named after Eleanor Bron who was appearing in their film Help.

    Rigby was the name taken from above a shop in Bristol where his girlfriend Jane Asher was appearing.

    Only he truly knows of course but it does seem a very big co-incidence. John Lennon was also a choir boy at St. Peters so the area which is only facing the hall where they met will be well known to them.
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    McCartney says that he always thought he got the name from Eleanor Bron and the shop but he now says that its quite possible that he may have subconsciously remembered it from seeing the grave all those years before. I don't believe there was any attempt by him to deceive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julieoapw View Post
    McCartney says that he always thought he got the name from Eleanor Bron and the shop but he now says that its quite possible that he may have subconsciously remembered it from seeing the grave all those years before. I don't believe there was any attempt by him to deceive.
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    Well certainly, it could have happened in this sort of scenario:

    Paul and John and the boys are lounging around in the cemetery smoking ciggies. Paul reads the name "Eleanor Rigby" on the gravestone and thinks, "That's a snappy name." Forgets all about it, then years later writes a song, the title of which comes from Eleanor Bron and the Rigby shop in Bristol, and it's a great combination, making for a striking name, "Eleanor Rigby" -- though he doesn't recall at that moment that he had seen the name years before in Liverpool. . .

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