Toxteth District

**Max** · 10-23-2007

A ghetto Tesco.

PhilipG · 10-23-2007

Originally Posted by Max

A ghetto Tesco.

Max, your'e talking about my neighbourhood.

You do obsess about ghettos!
It's about time you were informed that you don't live in one of the better areas of Liverpool.

**gorgeous** · 10-23-2007

I think the plans for Tesco look brilliant ,
Max , the people from Park Rd , are the salt of the earth , especially the older residents, Ghetto i think not , but your entitled to your opinion .
Love Karen x

**Max** · 10-24-2007

Originally Posted by PhilipG

Max, your'e talking about my neighbourhood.

You do obsess about ghettos!
It's about time you were informed that you don't live in one of the better areas of Liverpool.

I obsess about anything that I can't stop laughing about.

Kev's made a south central sub forum with this thread In so maybe he's been listening to Rap music comparing Toxteth to South Central LA.

**AngelCake** · 10-24-2007

Come on! It doesn't look ok. It is really depressing and i'm fed up with parts of Liverpool looking like forgotten dumps. People deserve more. I'm sick of all the money being spent on town yet the local areas are left to ruin.Tesco is the size of a small country and has too much power but I hope they get permission. Think I went to the old Leo's once as a child. That was ages ago

**AngelCake** · 10-24-2007

Originally Posted by Max

I obsess about anything that I can't stop laughing about.

Kev's made a south central sub forum with this thread In so maybe he's been listening to Rap music comparing Toxteth to South Central LA.

You live in Wavertree so are on thin ground! It's hardly Calderstones

PhilipG · 10-25-2007

Originally Posted by AngelCake

Come on! It doesn't look ok. It is really depressing and i'm fed up with parts of Liverpool looking like forgotten dumps. People deserve more. I'm sick of all the money being spent on town yet the local areas are left to ruin.Tesco is the size of a small country and has too much power but I hope they get permission. Think I went to the old Leo's once as a child. That was ages ago

Are we talking about the same Park Road?
I'm talking about the one in L8, and I see it every day.
I've admitted there is some dereliction in one stretch, but the rest of it looks very good.
There's lots of new buildings.
The pavements and street furniture are new.
It's kept clean of litter, and there are very few empty shops.

It's certainly not a "forgotten dump".
And the comment about "Salt of the earth" people is very patronising.

**Ged** · 10-25-2007

Park Road rocks and so do all the other areas that still have an array of much needed local grocery shops, butchers, chandlers, newsagents etc. These places are sometimes the centre for communities, especially the older generation to meet and have a natter and catch up on the local goss. I remember Soho street and William Henry street being like this in Everton. Supermarkets are so clinically clean and square - a straight in and out and back home place and not everyone can get to them.

**Kev** · 10-25-2007

Park Rd is pleasant traveling through on our way to Gym Tots at the sports center. I see the houses are 100% sold.

Its great to see its rejuvenation.

What will happen to the rows of shops should Tesco open? Tesco usually sometimes buy out near by premises and employ the staff within the tesco complex instead.

**Ged** · 10-25-2007

Rows of shops invariably close down when nearby supermarkets open due mainly of course to the competition. I know publishers and small bookshops who tell me they cannot compete with supermarkets selling books. Small clothes shops are effected by Asda's George (Dunn's, Peacocks etc etc) Wilkinsons do hardware and household stuff of course so it's not just the usual food supermarkets who sell everything these days that have an impact on the local rows of shops. I use supermarkets for the family big shop but inevitably have to use smaller shops for day to day items and stuff we've forgotten.

PhilipG · 10-25-2007

Hopefully the small shops will survive when Tesco opens.
Leos/Pioneer and then Kwik Save/Somerfield haven't closed them.
Unfortunately, there is no longer a traditional butcher in Park Road, but that's the only business (in 15 years) that I've seen go, that can be blamed on a supermarket opening.

**Waterways** · 10-25-2007

Originally Posted by Kev

What will happen to the rows of shops should Tesco open? Tesco usually sometimes buy out near by premises and employ the staff within the tesco complex instead.

Are you saying a small shop say named, "The Sweet Shop", will be bought out by Tesco and keep the same name, look and feel?

**Kev** · 10-25-2007

Originally Posted by Waterways

Are you saying a small shop say named, "the sweet shop", will be bought out by Tesco and keep the same name?

Yes John, they will have little 10p mix bags and a friendly local just for sweets at the end of the tills.

No I wasn't saying that, the larger stores such as chemists have previously been absorbed (if thats the right term) into the new supermarket.

**Waterways** · 10-25-2007

Originally Posted by Kev

Yes John, they will have little 10p mix bags and a friendly local just for sweets at the end of the tills.

No I wasn't saying that, the larger stores such as chemists have previously been absorbed (if thats the right term) into the new supermarket.

So you end up with a boarded up shop.

Tesco can kill an area. In Maida Vale in London, they opened up a 24/7 Tesco Express at a garage. It took more per square foot than any other Tesco in Europe or something like that. About 1/4 mile was a row of shops with two small supermarkets next door to each other. There was competition with the two and one was was rather upmarket selling some nice produce. They both had nice shop fronts. The two of them suffered and were bought up by Tesco who knocked them into one and yet another Tesco Express. Tesco Expresses look awful - really naff looking shop fronts.

**AngelCake** · 10-25-2007

Originally Posted by PhilipG

Are we talking about the same Park Road?
I'm talking about the one in L8, and I see it every day.
I've admitted there is some dereliction in one stretch, but the rest of it looks very good.
There's lots of new buildings.
The pavements and street furniture are new.
It's kept clean of litter, and there are very few empty shops.

It's certainly not a "forgotten dump".
And the comment about "Salt of the earth" people is very patronising.

Unles someone is logging on as me,I didn't mention "Salt of the earth" people. I'm talking about High Park street mainly but the whole area needs more help.