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    EXPERT designers plan to transform a rundown row of shops with Capital of Culture cash.

    They have been told to breathe new life into an ageing parade of businesses in Lodge Lane, Toxteth.

    Long-standing residents and shopkeepers were asked for their memories of the area so that local history can be incorporated into a string of new shop fronts.

    City leaders hope it will bring more customers into an established shopping area in time for Capital of Culture in 2008.

    They also believe a tidy-up may dis-courage vandalism and anti-social behaviour.

    It follows criticism that too much culture cash is being pumped into the city centre and highbrow arts events.

    The Culture Company wants to spend £100,000 on Lodge Lane, and the Shops Upfront scheme could get the go-ahead tomorrow.

    It is based on a hugely successful project in Glasgow, which helped create jobs and a venue for cultural evenings and art displays in a deprived area.

    As well as removing ugly rollershutters, graffiti and grime, artists will come up with some clever designs to mark Lodge Lane's historic past.

    The street crosses the northern half of the former ancient Deer Park of Toxteth, a vast royal hunting ground laid down by King John in 1207.

    The row of shops to be refurbished, numbers 157-171, was once a livery stable called Sefton Park Mews.

    Project co-ordinator Sonia Bassey said: "Local people are vital to this project and we have invited them to bring the past to life by sharing their memories of this heritage- rich neighbourhood.

    "It is expected the scheme will attract more people into the shops, boosting business and improving the area."

    Lodge Lane businesses today praised the scheme, which should start in the next few months.

    Newsagent Gamal Abdallah, 40, said: " Hopefully it should get more customers in and brighten up the street. It is about time they put money into the area."

    Bashir Alwan, 26, co-ordinator of Lodge Lane-based Merseyside Yemeni Community Association, said: "Our design of Arab horses and camels should look good.

    "It is going to draw people in and make them curious. Arabic-speaking people here will feel they have more in common with us."

    Anna Webster, 29, co-ordinator of Liverpool Yemeni Arabic Club in Lodge Lane, said: "Young people have been involved in the project to demonstrate what they want to see. They have been using mosaics, arts and crafts."

    Carol Hannell, 35, from The Local offlicence, said: "People will feel safer if it is brighter and cleaner out there, especially at night."




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    So the Culture Co. have noticed that the boundaries of Liverpool extend beyond Lime St. and the Waterfront - too little, too late!

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    I wish they'd get down to where I live !!

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    Twenty-five years after the notorious Toxteth riots, Tony Barrett asks how much things have really changed?

    IN THE wake of the Toxteth riots Lord Scarman published his report from the official inquiry into the disturbances.

    Among his findings was the following: "The riots were essentially an outburst of anger and resentment by young black people against the police. (But) the police do not create social deprivation; while good policing cannot remove the causes of social stress."

    In clear language, Lord Scarman was telling the world that social injustice was the root cause of Toxteth's problems and the riots were aviolent reaction against the state.

    The question is, 25 years on from the popular uprising, have the problems which caused the riots now been removed?

    As far is the statistical and anecdotal evidence goes they most certainly have not.

    Atrawl through census records and awhole raft of national reports into poverty suggests one thing - Toxteth is still being crushed under the weight of socio-economic inequality.

    When it comes to unemployment, deprivation, health and education the area is always towards the bottom of the pile.

    And, perhaps most importantly, those who live in Toxteth feel left behind and are still waiting for promises made aquarter of a century ago to be fulfilled.

    Community leader Pauline Davis, from the Granby Residents Association, is among those who believe not enough has been done to improve Toxteth since the riots.

    "You have to look at the business side and we still have no supermarkets, no banks and not enough jobs,"she says.

    "There is no proper infrastructure, no proper planning and it has to be said that there have been few changes for the better in Toxteth over the last 25 years.

    "You get tired of hearing promises that are never kept. The decline is continuing because there are too many basic things that have been overlooked.

    "Unemployment is far too high. I'm unemployed myself and I received aletter from the job centre the other day telling me about ajob that might have been suitable for me at the Women's Hospital.

    "I rang up about it but they were no longer taking applications because they had had so many.

    "People want to work but the opportunities just don't exist.

    "And this has an impact on everything, even people's health. Heart attacks and stress related conditions are rampant around here." more
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    * The average household income in Princes ward is £18,641 - 4,000 below the city average.

    * Around 63% of households in the Princes Park area have an income lower than £10,000 a year.
    Does that mean that the other 37% are struggling by on £33,350 a year - £10,500 above the city average?
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    I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. It's a smart but edgy area in parts. You do get wealthy people who like the large houses/luxury apartments and short commuting distances to the city centre, as well as the despondently poor crammed into small houses in the side streets.

    They do this every five years or so. I remember the last time; they dragged Heseltine up for an interview with the Echo. They devoted an entire week to it, basically saying **** all has improved in the time since.
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    I find driving to work the beauty of the area in some parts breathtaking, the buildings, the area around Princess Park for example. The regeneration needs to happen much quicker, some of the buildings have been empty and derelict for many many years, but then again some parts of Garston Under The Bridge have been too
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    Toxteth's the ghetto!
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    There are some nice parts around Toxteth - or LIVERPOOL 8 as we always knew it.

    We NEVER called it Toxteth. The people who lived there for generations never did. It was always just Liverpool 8.

    The full title of Toxteth seemed to catch on after the news reports of the riots refering to the area name.
    Now, sometimes, you will hear residents refering to it as 'Tocky' ..

    Anyway, there are some lovely big houses there, Princes Boulevard could be really classy if it was smartened up. Princes Park, Devonshire rd, Belvidere, etc, all nice. Of course, there is the Canning area - Husskison, Catherine, Percy, Hope st, Hope place, Gambia, etc, lovely.

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    SHOP owners in Toxteth have been working with professional artists to give their premises a new look.



    In an effort to fight off the vandals, creative and colourful artwork has been painted on the shop fronts.

    The roller shutters, graffiti and grime have been stripped away and replaced with new and trendy designs.

    A similar scheme has been carried out in Glasgow and Liverpool Culture Company now hopes the success in Scotland can be repeated on Merseyside.

    The project, Shops Upfront, is funded with European money and this has helped to transform eight properties in Lodge Lane.

    Alicia Smith, project manager at the Liverpool Culture Company, said: "The shops look amazing and it's a real surprise to see the difference between the before and after pictures."

    Partners in the Shops Upfront project include the Liverpool Culture Company, Liverpool council's regeneration team and South Central Neighbourhood Management team, together with Agency Services and the Liverpool Biennial.


    Shop front restored without the artwork.
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    The Ghetto!

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    OMG Max. You're so white!
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    My parents lived around there at the time of them.

    You could go through certain roots as the streets like Lodge Lane were blocked off and loads of looting. Dad said people were offering free tv's though but he never took one!

    Old buildings that were no longer there either were burned down!

    I don't know, it's possible it could happen again. Wasn't part of the riots started because of Racism though and not just high prices?

    Toxteth has had some regeneration but it's still crap around there. Especially as Dingles next to it.
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    "In 1981 the trigger for the riots was the arrest of local youth Leroy Cooper on police assault charges. He was arrested by police who had followed a teenage motorcyclist into

    Granby Street - then Toxteth's "main street" - and a hostile crowd gathered to separate him from the police.
    Granby St was never and is not the "mains street" of Toxteth. That is Park Road quite a way from Granby Street.

    The next day - July 4 - there was a heavy police presence in the area because of a tip-off that violence would erupt.

    At 5.30pm, a group of youths in Upper Parliament Street started to stone police officers. It was the curtain raiser for a night of violence and fear, and a further nine days of unrest.
    Riots had already erupted in Brixton. The Toxteth riots initially were seen as copy cat as many riots simultaneously erupted all over the UK: Manchester, Birmingham and even High Wycombe.

    The ferocity in Liverpool was so severe it shocked the government and they realised it was not just summer madness. It shocked them so much they appointed a minister for Merseyside - Hesseltine.

    The Toxteth riots were only partially in Toxteth with much of them in neighbouring Granby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    My parents lived around there at the time of them.

    You could go through certain roots as the streets like Lodge Lane were blocked off and loads of looting. Dad said people were offering free tv's though but he never took one!

    Old buildings that were no longer there either were burned down!

    I don't know, it's possible it could happen again. Wasn't part of the riots started because of Racism though and not just high prices?

    Toxteth has had some regeneration but it's still crap around there. Especially as Dingles next to it.
    The district the riots were in is Granby. Penny Lane is actually in Toxteth too.

    The riots were initially thought a race riot but only one third of the rioters were black or coloured. It was an anti-police/poverty riot. The police stopped it by shooting one of the rioters. They used CS gas shot gun cartridges and aimed them directly at the rioters. These cartridges were meant for siege situations, to fire into rooms where they would hit the wall and release the CS gas. The police “acted stupid” and used these cartridges to shoot the rioters. The cartridge boxes clearly stated “do not use in a riot situation”. They said they didn’t know – as if. They blasted out the chest of one kid. They ran over and killed one crippled kid who had nothing to do with the riots. He was too slow to get away.

    Nice police force we have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    Increase in poverty could reignite riots

    Could Toxteth riots be repeated in 2006?

    Waht do you think about headlines like this, justified?

    Yes, in one word. and what do YOU think about the complete invisibilty of the North end in 2007/2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways
    The district the riots were in is Granby. Penny Lane is actually in Toxteth too.

    The riots were initially thought a race riot but only one third of the rioters were black or coloured. It was an anti-police/poverty riot. The police stopped it by shooting one of the rioters. They used CS gas shot gun cartridges and aimed them directly at the rioters. These cartridges were meant for siege situations, to fire into rooms where they would hit the wall and release the CS gas. The police “acted stupid” and used these cartridges to shoot the rioters. The cartridge boxes cleared stated “do not use in a riot situation”. They said they didn’t know – as if. They blasted out the chest of one kid. They ran over and killed one crippled kid who had nothing to do with the riots. He was too slow to get away.

    Nice police force we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways
    The district the riots were in is Granby. Penny Lane is actually in Toxteth too.
    Penny lane is Wavertree surely?
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    Penny Lane is Mossley Hill L18.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    Penny lane is Wavertree surely?
    No. It forms the border.

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    Thats Toxteth.nets map and they don't even have Penny Listed.

    Penny Lane is only inbetween Smithdown and Greenbank Road.

    L18 is Mossley Hill, Toxteh is L8.
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    A locally-produced satirical postcard of the period

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie


    A locally-produced satirical postcard of the period

    I want that post card.

    I wish I was born around then and old enough so a looter would of gave me a free Tv.
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    25 years on and £400m spent - and Toxteth is still blighted by poverty
    Jul 4 2006
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    MORE than £400m has been spent trying to transform Toxteth since the riots 25 years ago with another £130m earmarked for the near future.

    But residents still question whether after a quarter of a century anything more than a cosmetic difference has been made to the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    Thats Toxteth.nets map and they don't even have Penny Listed.

    Penny Lane is only inbetween Smithdown and Greenbank Road.

    L18 is Mossley Hill, Toxteh is L8.
    L8? Is it? L8, L17, L15 and L18 all make up Toxteth. Toxteth.net give the actual boundaries of Toxteth. Penny Lane forms the border at the top and half way down is full inside Toxteth both sides.

    Dingle is in Toxteth, so is Granby, St. Micheals, Sefton Park, Princes, & Greenbank Parks, and parts of Otterspool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    I want that post card.

    I wish I was born around then and old enough so a looter would of gave me a free Tv.
    I watched the riots. At the top of Parli there was a milk place and a car hire next to each other. They used the milk bottles and the petrol from the car hire garage to make petrol bombs and reined then down on the police who formed a line across Parli. They gradually pushed the police back down Parli bit by bit. The were outwitting the police They used the hire cars to run at the police lines by putting bricks on the accelerators and jumping out the cars way before hand. The police scattered like flies each time a driverless car screeched down at them.

    They also used a JCB to attack the police too. They use it as a tank with the petrol bombers behind who would emerge and reign down the bombs on the police. Then the JCB would pull back for another run. They used the JCB to knock down parts of the buildings and then ran it at the police vehicles with jib swinging. Very effective indeed.

    The police would bang their riot shield to make a noise to frighten the rioters (or army by now). They responded by banging on the ground or bits of metal together to frighten the police.

    The occasional hand to hand fighting meant a policeman was beaten badly – I never saw it the other way around. The police wisely would not venture out of their lines. These kids were fearless and had it in for the cops. The police could not push the rioters back with vehicles as the road was littered with wrecks and buildings burning either side.

    On one of the last nights, bit by bit they pushed the police back down Parli until they reached Catharine Street. If they pushed the police down Catherine Street they were then in the city centre. Then the guns were used against them.

    Only Liverpool police were at the front line with the reserves from other forces behind them in case they were broken. Police from other forces were mainly patrolling the areas the Liverpool police could not cover.

    The never burnt the Post Office or unemployment office on Parli/Princes Road. They had to cash their Giros.

    More damage was done in those nights to Liverpool 8 than what Hitler did in 6 years

    I must admit I was delighted to see the *******s take a hammering.
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    Twenty-five years on - Toxteth riots remembered
    Jul 5 2006
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    Mike Chapple hears personal accounts from two photographers whose images of the Toxteth riots went round the world 25 years ago.

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    I hope Toxteth people can see us as friends
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    Merseyside's Chief Constable Bernard Hogan-Howe took to the streets of Toxteth last night, 25 years on from the riots. Alan Weston and Mike Chapple report.

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