both Edge Hill
Plimsoll St
Hawthorne Grove
looks like a lot of the streets around Wavertree Rd/Durning Rd way are going to be demolished. Can't see them being renovated. Shame as quite often the houses they build as replacements are smaller.
both Edge Hill
Plimsoll St
Hawthorne Grove
looks like a lot of the streets around Wavertree Rd/Durning Rd way are going to be demolished. Can't see them being renovated. Shame as quite often the houses they build as replacements are smaller.
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Ringo lived in the Welsh Streets - have Welsh street names and built by the Welsh. Many of the houses are expensive to renovate - cheaper to demolish and built modern houses with high insulation levels.
Many are marked for demolition. In 40 years a whole Georgian/Victorian city has been demolished. Literally.
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These new houses might be the DIYers friend with all the plasterboard inner walls but even the breezeblock party walls seem so thin as you can hear your neighbours. Going by the insulation argument alone, the whole of the Canning area would be demolished then.
The old terraces have several structural and damp problems which is not cheap to rectify. They shift a lot with having foundation about 300mm deep. People would rather live in new cheap to heat damp-less homes. That is not to say that some of these old terraces should be be preserved. They look good when all the same colour and same type of front door. But Liverpool being Liverpool there is always one Chav who paints his differently. An e.g., the Tower block Mill View had all white windows - on the top floor some nut painted his window frames "yellow" making the block look ridiculous.
What one of the people in the Welsh Streets, which had national media coverage regarding the demolition of some streets. Not even the local papers or radio gave him any time, as he has been blocked out. A political agenda at work, with the aspirations of the locals ignored - they wanted more streets demolished and they wanted nice new homes. He said on this forum.....
I have lived in the same Welsh Street for over 60 years and having worked as a volunteer street rep. for over 5 years on regeneration of the Princes Park area, I can tell you that the residents can't wait to move into new homes.We are fed up with all the hype about what lovely houses these are, put about by the so-called Welsh Street Homes Group, many of whose original, very few, supporters have now bought & moved into new properties on Clevedon Park, leaving only 3 residents objecting to the proposals, who all live in Kelvin Grove and DO NOT represent the Welsh Street residents
THE FACTS ARE : 11 streets are to be demolished from one side of Kelvin Grove to Admiral Street and new housing being built on the site for local residents, including local shops. The remaining Welsh Streets - Dovey,Teilo & Elwy, houses will be refurbished, together with the streets off Windsor Street down to Upper Warwick Street.
The Community will NOT be split up as suggested by WSHG opposition group,who have only lived in the area for about 6 years and only became involved about 18 months ago when Nina Edge became aware that her Kelvin Grove house was part of the demolition plan,who have never been involved with the community and are not known to the community, most of whom have lived here all their lives. Many residents had Improvement grants in the late 70's to have bathrooms built on & general improvements to their properties, however in spite of numerous damp proofing courses, these houses are in bad shape, now beyond saving and residents want something better & have been prepared to fight for that.
Originally three of the streets Treborth, Pengwern & South Streets were not included in the demolition proposals, but residents of those streets fought to be included in the demolition plans and over 200 Welsh Street residents lobbyed the Town Hall meeting of the Executive Board demanding that these 3 streets be included in proposals and won their case. One of the main problems in all this has been the credence & publicity given to the opposition, whilst failing to give a truly balanced view on TV & in newspapers to the views, needs & aspirations of the wider community. However as conflict sells news, I shouldn't be surprised we have not be given fair & unbiased media time. Even the Liverpool Echo are failing to publish any of our correspondence, whilst constantly publishing that of the anti-demolition groups, even now. Despite all the hype we are now looking forward to brighter future for the Princes Park Area and it's residents in better homes & surroundings.
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Where damp and subsidence is an issue, that of course is a different matter, however yet another t.v. documentary this week noted that the problem regarding our heritage being lost is more to do with the government slapping vat on renovation of old property whereas it doesn't with new build, therefore rendering it cheaper for redevelopers to demolish and start again. There were no such problems with that classic Edge Lane property to my knowledge as I knew 2 people who lived on different sections of that road and there, it's a case of the car being more important than the communities and the heritage.
Ged, the UK has the oldest and most energy inefficient housing stock in the western world. It also accounts for much of the CO2 output in heating the stuff. Renovating can only go so far. Many poorer people will be left in fuel poverty - energy costs are increasing.
If you like the style of the terraced homes then they can be replicated, as I have seen successfully done elsewhere. Why aren't the Georgian homes being extended up from around Canning St, looking exactly the same with modern insulation levels? New Georgian homes like those in Canning St would sell like hot cakes. It is highly desirable to replace an old house which is past its sell by date and replacing it with one which looks similar to maintain the character of an area. Many old properties are best just being bulldozed.
Ged, read this..
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity/LandArticle.html
and then these in order....
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/ima...images/143.pdf
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/ima...images/141.pdf
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/ima...images/137.pdf
Last edited by Waterways; 03-05-2008 at 01:22 PM.
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I do agree that the new ones should be built in a sympathetic style, however, whilst private developments and a quick buck to be made might be, council ones certainly won't be.
The government tries to encourage new properties to give superior homes in energy usage, living space, etc, etc. As I have pointed out the UK has the oldest, least insulated and pokiest homes in the western world. New homes have to take priority. It is how it is implemented that is the question. Keeping outdated poor housing stock is not the answer.
Sorting out the land and planning system is the first step. Until that is sorted we will always bee in a permanent housing crisis.
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So the new boxes are bigger than the Edge Lane ones, Don't think so. Not all of these people even want parking facilities or a garden to maintain and is why they buy them in the first place.
They are generally bigger than 2 up 2 down terraces that is for sure. See the letter from the Welsh Streets resident. People wanted new homes and petitioned to get their so-called ideal terraced homes demolished. No one wants a house with a back alley anymore. Time moves on.
Saying that, modern homes are still tiny to homes elsewhere. See that link to "Unaffordable Housing" I gave. However that is a broader issue of planing and land usage & ownership.
Last edited by Waterways; 03-05-2008 at 09:47 PM.
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One myth that can be put to bed straight away is that of "rising damp". For a better explanation than I can give see:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/...20/pjeff21.xml
and
http://www.dampbuster.com/
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