Originally Posted by
jc_everton
Makinson simply said that a new station (such as one in Tuebrook or Anfield) would cost a minimum of £12m, he did not mention the underground. But you'd like to think all the fares they receive, as well as fines, should go some way in terms of the financing! I pay £4.50 return to Liverpool from where I live. Ridiculous.
A property value tax on property when sold, that had had its value increase because of the stations is the way to finance. If it had been implemented on the Jubilee Line extension it would have paid for it 4 times over. If someone gains because of a public initiative then they should pay some back.
The loop line you propose does make an awful lot of sense, but I'm finding the issue of 'cut and cover' quite vague - as if it's as simple as digging a hole in the ground and covering it like a roof on a house.
Yep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel Paris just cut and cover the boulevards - easy. Aigburth Rd is a boulevard. Cut and cover can go across parkland in Liverpool. Cut a ditch and insert concrete pre-cast curved tunnel walls, then cover.
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Dingle Tunnel, there looks like many logistical and physical problems to overcome.
The Dingle Tunnel was originally proposed to be extended but never was. The station is there. Just a gantry at the Herculaneum Dock from the tunnel mouth to the existing line beneath all is needed.
And linking all the tunnels together would require new tunnel building, as the Waterloo and Wapping tunnels run underneath the Northern Line, yes? I am confused as to the depths of all these tunnels.
The Waterloo goes under the Northern Line. Some tunnels to interconnect tunnels, yes. Not a great amount as most of the system is in place.
Going back to your loop line... my proposals for the future of the rail network actually involve more direct train services - I believe that trains running from major stations such as Maghull and Ormskirk (Ok, these aren't on the loop line but bear with me) should cut out minor stations such as Walton and Aughton Park (or even all of them) at peak times in order to get the commuters into Liverpool as quickly as possible, allowing the direct trains to get back to Ormskirk quickly to take in the next load. A mixture of indirect and direct services is what I'd like to see, and new stations, like some of the ones you propose on the loop line would actually only
slow the journey times down.
You are proposing a Paris Metro and the to suburbs rapid double-decker RER system. The Liverpool loop is to re-generate the city centre and inner city. It will be like the Circle Line in London. An existing city Centre loop an Outer City Centre Loop (my idea), and lines intersecting these loops that make good connections.
I consider this loop
vital to re-generate the city. It will attract investment around the stations.
The Dock Rd has to be abandoned as an urban motorway and cars discouraged forcing people onto the trains. The city must revert back to its human scale and be designed for people again.
BTW, no police with guns.
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