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    Exclamation Lost Mansions of Liverpool

    ******[Merseyside Halls, Estates and Dwellings that are still standing and in use can be found here.]********

    Images of Liverpool's Lost Mansions, courtesy of LRO:

    1- Childwall Hall. South east view of Childwall Hall with figures. In 1847, it was 'a seat of the Most Noble, The Marquis of Salisbury'.

    2- Colderstones/ Calderstones. North East view - in 1847 it was the 'seat of Joseph Need Walker, Esq.'

    3- Dovecot House was situated at Prescot Road/Pilch Lane. In 1847, it was the 'seat of Mrs Dugdale'.

    4- Elmswood was in Briarwood Road, Mossley and 1847 was the 'Thomas Sands, Esq.'

    5- Highfield House was the 'seat of Thomas Littledale, Esq.' in 1847.

    6- Norris Green Mansion. Shows house and grounds with people and a carriage. The house was built in 1830.

    7- Otterspool view of the house with figures.

    8- Wavertree Hall (on the site of Wavertree Park). Wavertree Hall was the 'seat of Charles Lawrence, Esq.' in 1829.

    9- West Dingle. West Dingle was the 'seat of Joseph Brooks Yates, Esq., F.A.S.' in 1847.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post

    2- Colderstones/ Calderstones. North East view - in 1847 it was the 'seat of Joseph Need Walker, Esq.'
    Thanks for this, Kev. I knew that Joseph N. Walker was the man who enclosed in the ancient Calderstones in a circle in a circular enclosure in 1845 but I had not for some reason associated him with Calderstones House.

    I found this on-line:

    "ALLERTON, a township, in the parish of Childwall, union and hundred of West Derby, S. division of the county of Lancaster, 5ľ miles (S. E.) from Liverpool; containing in 1846 about 800 inhabitants. At the time of the Domesday survey, three thanes held "Alretune;" which was in the possession of Geoffrey de Chetham in the reign of Henry III., and of the Lathoms in that of Henry VIII. It was sold in 1670 to the Percivals, who in 1732 sold it to the Hardmans; and from them it was purchased by Messrs. Clegg and Roscoe. The township comprises 1531 acres, and consists partly of a luxuriant vale, and partly of gentlyrising hills, which command fine views of the river Mersey at its widest part, with portions of Cheshire and North Wales. The air is salubrious, and the scenery adorned with wood; the soil is of various quality, in some parts sandy, and in others a stiff clay. Allerton Hall was until 1816 the residence of William Roscoe, the elegant historian of Leo X., and is now the seat of Pattison Ellames, Esq.: the apartments contain numerous valuable paintings, and a beautiful marble statue of Sappho, by John Gibson, of Rome. Wyncote is the residence of Joseph Shipley, Esq.; and Allerton Priory, of Theodore Woolman Rathbone, Esq. Here is a large Druidical monument called Calder Stones, in digging round which, more than sixty years ago, urns of coarse clay were found, containing human bones: the stones were surrounded with a neat iron palisade in 1845; and not far distant is the residence of Joseph N. Walker, Esq., named, after them, Calderstones. There is a quarry of red sandstone. The tithes have been commuted for £228 payable to the lessee of the Bishop of Chester, and £43 payable to the vicar of the parish. A church was erected in 1848, at a cost of £5000, by James Holme, Esq.; it is in the early English style, with a tower and spire, and, standing on rising ground, is a picturesque and commanding object. The living is a perpetual curacy, in the gift of Mr. Holme.

    From: 'Allerthorpe - Allonby', A Topographical Dictionary of England (1848), pp. 37-39. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rep...x?compid=50751.
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    Thanks, Kev. The first one looks like another view of Childwall Hall. The last one is surely Allerton Hall in Clark's Gardens known today for the "Pub in the Park" (must go there next time I am in Liverpool), once the seat of William Roscoe.

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    Default Liverpool's Lost Mansions

    Kev, thanks so much for posting these images. Would these buildings have survived.

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    I was wondering the same thing whilst driving through Springwood yesterday. I can only assume that if the buildings had survived then they areas would feel similar to Springwood due to the buildings that still stand there today, if you get what I mean....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    I was wondering the same thing whilst driving through Springwood yesterday. I can only assume that if the buildings had survived then they areas would feel similar to Springwood due to the buildings that still stand there today, if you get what I mean....

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    Yes exactly. Most of the Liverpool old mansions fell prey to the demolition instincts of both the speculative builder and Liverpool City Council housing department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Thanks, Kev. The first one looks like another view of Childwall Hall. The last one is surely Allerton Hall in Clark's Gardens known today for the "Pub in the Park" (must go there next time I am in Liverpool), once the seat of William Roscoe.

    All the best

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    Yes, it is.
    If you hover your mouse over the thumbnails, the descriptions come up.

    Excellent, Kev.
    Thanks also for the maps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Thanks, Kev. The first one looks like another view of Childwall Hall. The last one is surely Allerton Hall in Clark's Gardens known today for the "Pub in the Park" (must go there next time I am in Liverpool), once the seat of William Roscoe.

    All the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Thanks, Kev. The first one looks like another view of Childwall Hall. The last one is surely Allerton Hall in Clark's Gardens known today for the "Pub in the Park" (must go there next time I am in Liverpool), once the seat of William Roscoe.

    All the best

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    Allerton Hall was where the top naval men of the US Confederacy would meet to plan their naval strategy against the north.

    Thanks for that information, Waterways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    Yes, it is.
    If you hover your mouse over the thumbnails, the descriptions come up.

    Excellent, Kev.
    Thanks also for the maps.
    So they do! Thanks, Philip. I especially like the one of Otterspool with the view of the Mersey in the distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    So they do! Thanks, Philip. I especially like the one of Otterspool with the view of the Mersey in the distance.

    Chris

    Very similar to the Dingle Estate, which was so picturesque the Yates' sisters allowed the public in two days a week in the 1830s and 1840s, before there were any parks.
    They were called the Dingle Days.
    In fact, it was their brother, Richard Vaughan Yates, who financed Prince's Park.

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    There has been some digging at Lime Productions in Childwall on the site of Childwall hall. A lovely glazed brick has been found during the clearing of some spoil, so there may be a little feature on it either on my website (www.childwall.info) or by way in the press. Lovely item sitting on my mate's table!

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    my wifes name is stanley, she comes from huyton, dad eric, nan clara, grandad albert, obviously not from "the" stanleys as we aint go two ha'pennys to rub together however as i grew up i knew not hundreds but many other stanleys, why was there a wide spread of stanleys around this district

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    If anyone can take images/ pics of what is on these sites now, that would be great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    If anyone can take images/ pics of what is on these sites now, that would be great!
    You'll have to make do with:

    http://www.childwall.info/#/childwallhall/4515889908

    I've got lots of pictures of Lime Productions and the Hollyoaks set but I'm still under copyright not to ever show them.

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    excellent cheers
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    A tad of info on Otterspool - only the steps are left now:

    http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/...ool/otters.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadfael View Post
    A tad of info on Otterspool - only the steps are left now:

    http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/mrlhp/local/otterspool/otters.htm
    Are they the steps that are very close to the bridge and run up to the right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadfael View Post
    You'll have to make do with:

    http://www.childwall.info/#/childwallhall/4515889908

    I've got lots of pictures of Lime Productions and the Hollyoaks set but I'm still under copyright not to ever show them.
    Hi Cadfael

    What exactly are Lime Productions? What do they do? Is Hollyoaks a British TV series or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Allerton Hall was where the top naval men of the US Confederacy would meet to plan their naval strategy against the north.
    For more info see the "When Liverpool was Dixie" web site. I think it was the American Charles Prioleau who lived in Allerton Hall. He also built 19 Abercromby Sq where the state tree, the cabbage palmetto tree, of South Carolina still adorns the interior of the building

    http://www.csa-dixie.com/liverpool_dixie/index.htm

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    I almost forgot these lost mansions:

    Allerton - Once home to the Fletcher family covering 140 years. The first house on the site was built in the early 1800s which was destroyed by fire. The second house was built in 1815.











    November 1944 was gutted by fire again. The shell remains which shows fragments of its classical design. The obelisk at the side of the house had nothing to do with it, it was erected before 'Allerton' was built by occupants of Allerton Hall near by.





    Five miles from Liverpool Town Hall, the four sides match up with the compass points. It is riddled with holes, possible from rifle shots.



    Allerton Tower - The once beautiful Italianate residence off Woolton Rd. Designed in 1847 by Harvey Lonsdale Elmes the Architect

    of St. Georges Hall, for Sir Hardman Earle, of the Earle Family, was director of the Liverpool to Manchester Railway and a witness to

    Huskisson's fatal accident on its opening day.

    Built in 78

    acres of grounds, once part of the Manor of Allerton. The main house was unfortunately demolished 1937 and all that remains is what you can see below with

    out houses at the

    rear:

















    Allerton Tower Out Houses - Walking around the outside, through the grounds I found this weird and wonderful archway leading

    through a short tunnel into a very small enclosed area surrounded by a wall and landscaping. I havn't a clue what is was used for but

    fascinating:









    Onto the

    buildings.....















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    Awesome pics Kev

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    On the subject of lost mansions:

    http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server...ediaFile.23577

    Lea Hall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadfael View Post
    On the subject of lost mansions:

    http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server...ediaFile.23577

    Lea Hall
    are the last two not mansions?
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    Fine pics, Kev!

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    RE: Otterspool. This place is really interesting. So from what I can gather, the entrance to Otterspool (Aigburth Vale) was once where a brook once ran, downwards where now you can walk, under the bridge;


    posted above and would flow out into the Mersey, via a 'flat' visable to the right of this pic:



    The home Otterspool I can only assume was located somewhere to the left of this pic?
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    OK, so Mike Roydons page states that the house was located where this kiosk is now:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    OK, so [B]Mike Roydons page states that the house was located where this kiosk is now
    Is that what he says?
    Wasn't the house the exact spot where the circular cafe is?

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