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    Quote Originally Posted by Suburban View Post
    A man who bankrupt a great city and gave it a bad name internationally.
    I can't speak for Africa, Asia, South America or the antipodes but, I don't know of anyone in North America, without a Liverpool connection, who know's of Derek Hatton.

    Didn't the police charge him with theft of a Rolex watch and didn't the court exonerate him, but only after the original owner declared that he gave Hatton the watch? Also, is it not true that the Thatcher government used all their resources to try and find some crime to charge this man with? And didn't they, Thatchers government, fail in this quest? Now, to my mind and to most reasonable people this would indicate the mans innocence, others less generous or with some other political agenda or dishonest motive themselves would say otherwise. IMHO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by john View Post
    Thanks John, I could see nothing, indicated in that biography,of a criminal nature. I think I would agree with my late mother when she said that the real damage done to Liverpool was not done by the militants or Derek Hatton but by the ultra right wing political extreemist, vindictive prime minister of the day, Maggie Thatcher.
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    Personally I think it'd be more fitting to name it after a Liverpudlian industrialist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snappel View Post
    Who is this Mr Hatton?
    See e.g. http://www.myspace.com/liverpool47

    Check out the videos such as http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oID=1178374875

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    Quote Originally Posted by snappel View Post
    Personally I think it'd be more fitting to name it after a Liverpudlian industrialist...
    That would eliminate Samuel Cunard, he being a Canadian from Halifax in the province of Nova Scotia. Maybe John Swire of HSBC and Cathay Pacific, but even here we have a problem because John Swire was also born in Halifax, this time the Yorkshire variety. Maybe one of the Holt brothers Alfred or John of Blue Funnel who, fortunately, were both born in Liverpool. Perhaps Liverpool could take a leaf out of the mundane Manchester book, this is what they, Manchester, did with the naming of their concert hall, after an industrialist person who built canals instead of after the very talented and most succesful musical director in that orchestra's (Halle) history, Sir John Barbarolli.

    Really though, it won't matter what it's called to the vast majority of cruisers using the facility, they, more than likely, will be interested in the Beatles, cultural sites and shopping, but not neccessarily in that order.
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    "OCEAN GATEWAY"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    Thanks Howie, the video clip certainly show just how few Liverpool citizens supported the 47. I mean only filling Castle Street to Derby Square, Dale Street to beyond Moorfields and Water Street to the Strand.

    I have been able to learn quite a lot about that period in Liverpool's political history, so much so that when I now see submissions from the extreemist right-wing Thatcherites and/or their fellow travellers, I am able to refute their lies with facts.

    Thanks again.
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    Imagine the Mancs or whoever hearing on the 6 o'clock news that the first liner is docking at Liverpool's Ocean Gateway - pure class.

    I wouldn't name it after an individual, we've got the tunnels after royalty and certainly not Lady Di as suggested, what's she got to do with anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Imagine the Mancs or whoever hearing on the 6 o'clock news that the first liner is docking at Liverpool's Ocean Gateway - pure class.
    Yep, it would certainly spoil a few peoples day up the motorway. However, don't you think Granada and BBC would either ignore the event or just report that a "boat visited the Mersey for the day"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    "OCEAN GATEWAY"
    Ged = nice one. That is a name I could live with.

    In saying that I think to most 'pudlians' it will always be known as the Pier Head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phredd View Post
    In saying that I think to most 'pudlians' it will always be known as the Pier Head.
    Actually Phredd, it has never been known as Pier Head. Pier Head is at the top of the bridges that connect the 'Princes and Georges Landing Stages' to the land. Pier Head being that area between the river and the "Three Graces". The name sez it all.
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    Luv it! - brings back all those memories of the 1933 film by the Merseyside Workers' Film Society: 'Liverpool: Gateway of Empire' or more recently Tony Lane's 1987 book of the same title, (of which I understand there is currently an updated version of titled 'Liverpool: City of the Sea'). Anyway I like 'Gateway' - it draws on our history!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    Luv it! - brings back all those memories of the 1933 film by the Merseyside Workers' Film Society: 'Liverpool: Gateway of Empire'
    But, alas, under Maggie Thatcher it became, for awhile, the "Doorway to despair".
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    The original film was about inequality contrasting the prosperity with the unemployment and workers' demos - something with have managed to maintain as currently the city with the greatest inequalities in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Imagine the Mancs or whoever hearing on the 6 o'clock news that the first liner is docking at Liverpool's Ocean Gateway - pure class.

    I wouldn't name it after an individual, we've got the tunnels after royalty and certainly not Lady Di as suggested, what's she got to do with anything.
    That sold it for me but they probably wont mention it.

    The New World Gateway,leave me alone I'm trying aren't I. I just had to use this snazzy emoticon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    Thanks Howie, the video clip certainly show just how few Liverpool citizens supported the 47. I mean only filling Castle Street to Derby Square, Dale Street to beyond Moorfields and Water Street to the Strand.


    Thanks again.

    I can only remember people hating Derek Hatton and his crew. I never knew anyone who supported them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    I can only remember people hating Derek Hatton and his crew. I never knew anyone who supported them.
    Then the video clip is a must for you, unless that is, you would prefer to keep your erronious pre-conceived impressions.

    PS: I wonder just who voted them in, even after Thatcher negated the democratic will of the majority Liverpools electorate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    Actually Phredd, it has never been known as Pier Head. Pier Head is at the top of the bridges that connect the 'Princes and Georges Landing Stages' to the land. Pier Head being that area between the river and the "Three Graces". The name sez it all.
    Sloyne Hi

    I did know that but as kids in the 40,s we did not say 'we are going to the landing stage'. It was always the Pier Head to us and to the millions who graced New Brighton every week end.
    Yep true though the name does say it all

    Cheers Fred (NSTS Gravesend 1956).

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    As an aside, we could possibly start a thread on the Hatton v Thatcher years (though, the leader was actually Hamilton) and give the pros and cons (no pun intended) as to what people now think really went on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phredd View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    I can only remember people hating Derek Hatton and his crew. I never knew anyone who supported them.
    Lindylou, the labour party were voted into power by the people of Liverpool, have a look at the video submitted by Howie.
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    Liverpool Gateway
    Ocean Gateway
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    Liverpool Ocean Gateway then - a ring to it like Liverpool John Lennon Airport.

    Something telling the world, not just Manchester/Brum/Leeds who all think they're bigger and better than us that it's Liverpool's and you've gotta mention the name - it's extravagant - something those land-locked places could only dream about.
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    Liverpool George Harrison Ocean Gateway

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    Quote Originally Posted by john View Post
    Lindylou, the labour party were voted into power by the people of Liverpool, have a look at the video submitted by Howie.
    I don't have enough interest in Politics to be bothered looking.

    I was just stating that I never knew anyone who supported them.

    I can only recall people slating Hatton and his crew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    I don't have enough interest in Politics to be bothered looking.
    I was just stating that I never knew anyone who supported them.
    I can only recall people slating Hatton and his crew.
    A very disingenuous reply for sure. If you have, as you state, little interest in politics why comment at all? Replying, as you have to a political post, takes far more effort to type and post than does a mouse click on the link that would add to your knowledge of the person and period discussed. Like I said lindylou, a very disingenuous reply, IMHO.
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    I never normally reply to political discussions - you won't find much from me in the politics thread.

    I was just commenting that they were not popular with everybody, not every Liverpudlian voted for them - I can remember a lot of people who were against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    I never normally reply to political discussions - you won't find much from me in the politics thread.
    That is why your reply to this one reveals more than you would probably wish about you own political bias. But thanks for posting anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    Catering or Deck?
    Catering = ended up Second Cook & Baker.
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