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    Has anyone come across any really old ones, or have photographs of them.
    I have seen some like cannons and some ribbed square ones, these were on photographs dated 1890 to 1900.
    The square ones I have not seen in other Towns.
    Be nice to know some locations or pics of them please.


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    You can find a couple of pictures of surviving ones in Google images. There were scores of these around Liverpool at one time, used to block off a street to wagon traffic or set against the corner of building to protect the stonework from the hubs of heavy wagons. I was in the City Lighting Department in Kent Street in the late 70s and there were stacks of them piled up there along with old lamp posts. There was some sort of a drive on to standardise street furniture at the time and so all the 19C stuff had to be removed. I was told at the time that they had been taken from captured ships during the Napoleonic wars but I don't know how true this is. They went for scrap I guess.

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    For the past couple of years I've kept my eye out for the older type of cannon/ball bollards. There are very few around, most having being replaced by newer 'fake' ones. I've seen the other type you mention in Pall Mall and a few other places...if you mean the ones painted black and white. Here's some of the older type:

    Caryl Street has a row, of about a dozen, short cannon-type bollards. I don't think I've seen this small type anywhere else, in these numbers. Recent work installing railings around the houses, could mean these have to be removed.

    Leather Lane, Princes Street, Lower Bank View. These all have a style that I thought was the most authentic of a cannon/ball. I have pics of these ones, somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by birdseye View Post
    You can find a couple of pictures of surviving ones in Google images. There were scores of these around Liverpool at one time, used to block off a street to wagon traffic or set against the corner of building to protect the stonework from the hubs of heavy wagons. I was in the City Lighting Department in Kent Street in the late 70s and there were stacks of them piled up there along with old lamp posts. There was some sort of a drive on to standardise street furniture at the time and so all the 19C stuff had to be removed. I was told at the time that they had been taken from captured ships during the Napoleonic wars but I don't know how true this is. They went for scrap I guess.
    It was true. They were mainly captured French guns - some British. They were used in Liverpool and London. On the Corner of St. John's Wood High St and Circus Rd in London a few French cannons are still there with the French crests on the guns.

    There are a few still around Liverpool mainly in the old streets off the Dock Rd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marky View Post
    For the past couple of years I've kept my eye out for the older type of cannon/ball bollards. There are very few around, most having being replaced by newer 'fake' ones. I've seen the other type you mention in Pall Mall and a few other places...if you mean the ones painted black and white. Here's some of the older type:

    Caryl Street has a row, of about a dozen, short cannon-type bollards. I don't think I've seen this small type anywhere else, in these numbers. Recent work installing railings around the houses, could mean these have to be removed.

    Leather Lane, Princess Street, Lower Bank View. These all have a style that I thought was the most authentic of a cannon/ball. I have pics of these ones, somewhere.
    This is a brilliant thread.
    I have been thinking about it for a while
    I have some pics somewhere
    Will dig them out.

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    There's an interesting set of old Bollards in Gateacre. Here's a few shots I took in 2006
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    Come to think of it Taffy, there are 2/3 bollards opposite Garston Park (Island Rd side) that surround the street lamp on a tiny island.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy View Post
    There's an interesting set of old Bollards in Gateacre. Here's a few shots I took in 2006
    They look like purpose made bollards. The cannons were improvised bollards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by birdseye View Post
    You can find a couple of pictures of surviving ones in Google images. There were scores of these around Liverpool at one time, used to block off a street to wagon traffic or set against the corner of building to protect the stonework from the hubs of heavy wagons. I was in the City Lighting Department in Kent Street in the late 70s and there were stacks of them piled up there along with old lamp posts. There was some sort of a drive on to standardise street furniture at the time and so all the 19C stuff had to be removed. I was told at the time that they had been taken from captured ships during the Napoleonic wars but I don't know how true this is. They went for scrap I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    It was true. They were mainly captured French guns - some British. They were used in Liverpool and London. On the Corner of St. John's Wood High St and Circus Rd in London a few French cannons are still there with the French crests on the guns.

    There are a few still around Liverpool mainly in the old streets off the Dock Rd.
    I would love to see photographs of any cannons that are still being used as bollards in Liverpool. Thanks in advance.

    This was probably a common thing in seaports worldwide in the nineteenth century, that old cannons would be used as bollards.

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    This is the road at the back of Rodney St (can't remember the name, any clues?!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Come to think of it Taffy, there are 2/3 bollards opposite Garston Park (Island Rd side) that surround the street lamp on a tiny island.
    Yes I was thinking of those too. Never photographed them !!! A job for tomorrow I think.

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    Taffy
    Thanks for pics, I have seen many an old photo (1890-1900) with lots of these bollards around a large lamp post.

    DaisyChain
    The pics you have posted are the ones I was thinking about (ribbed square bollards) without the solid plain base.
    Pics of war period have them painted with white & black bands I think.

    Pity they got rid of them, great street furniture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xkopite View Post
    Taffy
    Thanks for pics, I have seen many an old photo (1890-1900) with lots of these bollards around a large lamp post.

    DaisyChain
    The pics you have posted are the ones I was thinking about (ribbed square bollards) without the solid plain base.
    Pics of war period have them painted with white & black bands I think.

    Pity they got rid of them, great street furniture.
    Thanks
    Those are still there

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    Here are some examples of modern cast bollards made to look like cannons as well as a couple that look like DaisyChain's back of Rodney Street bollards which might imply that those bollards are not that old after all:

    Bespoke Bollards Special Commissions -- from a Greenwich firm named Furnitubes Street Furniture.

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    These ones are designed to protect the old lamp post which incidentally has a very nice Liverbird in the casting.
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    I've seen a few places with those ribbed square bollards (which taper towards the top). The best example is the Pall Mall arc. I've seen others around town, though most are probably modern. Dale St/Tithebarn St/Castle St/by the bucket fountain/by Walker Art gallery etc.
    I noticed a few still with black/white stripes...somewhere off West Derby Road (Hygeia Street, I think). A variation on the square ribbed bollard is at the start of Shaw Street (it's thinner, than the others)
    I'll take pics of the non-standard ones I see. I think I even saw a few square tapering bollards, made out of concrete (but I'll have to check near Tuebrook market)

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    Quote Originally Posted by marky View Post
    I've seen a few places with those ribbed square bollards (which taper towards the top). The best example is the Pall Mall arc.
    They were everywhere at one time, especially in traffic islands in the centre of roads to protect pedestrians. Now why don't we have that now?
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    The first 'traffic islands' were installed in Liverpool in 1862. In 1860 a local saddler by the name of John Hastings had requested the council to build one in the road outside his shop as traffic was increasing and crossing the road was becoming dangerous. The council did not think much of the idea, but a couple of years later a local dignitary and member of the council was run down whilst crossing the road. This galvanised the council who authorised the building of six 'pedestrian refuges' in the town. Soon after they were installed the first six traffic islands had street lamps erected on them.

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    Lower Bank View and Leather Lane bollards. I haven't found these designs repeated anywhere else, yet, but I'm still looking. I'd guess these are some of the oldest ones.




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    Good pics Marky.
    Lets hope a few more get caught on camera.

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    Bollards at junction with Castle St
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    Taffy
    These are the ones I remember and seen alot of on old pics.
    Good sighting Taffy.

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    Solitary bollard at junction of Tempest Hey and Leather Lane. In the background is Eberle St. This is a fascinating area of old Liverpool with narrow lanes reflecting the old burgage plots along Dale St
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    Chadwick Street/Pall Mall. The best ones I know of this old type.


    Mill Lane. There are eight of these bollards in this street.


    Camden Street. An old colour that I've also seen on some cannon/ball bollards.

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    nice pic, worlds apart that last pic, the work gone into that iron bollard, then the mass produced concrete ones bordering the carpark, i wonder if in 150 years people will be snapping the old concrete ones, i don't think so

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    Great shots mate, the ones in Pall Mall is that down by the old Tate & Lyle factory.

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    Some interesting old and new bollards.
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    ^ Yes, that long arc of bollards is down by the start of the railway arches that run between Gt Howard Street and Vauxhall Road (near the Eldonian Village).

    Guelph Place, off Kensington. Total of six here. This narrow street no longer appears on Google maps, but it still has its' old cast-iron name plate.


    Regent Street.


    Fazakerley Street. A non-standard cannon and ball bollard, plus a ribbed one in the distance.
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    Marky
    Super pics, you must have your own GPS for tracking these bollards down.
    That shot of Regent Street, do I spot a drinking fountain set in the wall ?
    Any idea how high and wide these bollards are ?
    Look forward to your pics mate.
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