Are the Irish getting remembered?

[shytalk]

Whats that, no still no good I cant hear any of that Shoite

HaHa the cuss monitor lets you swear in an Irish accent.

[Steven]

HaHa the cuss monitor lets you swear in an Irish accent.

Course is Feckin does if yer foind away around it .

[lindylou]

Wait 'til Kev comes in and sees this lot - the length of this debate I mean ! Ha!

[ChrisGeorge]

I have the tape made in Radio City music hall New York with Michael Flatley, I also have the one with Colin Dunne this is the one I prefer. To those who don't know, neither one are Irish, Flatley is American of Irish dscent and Dunne is from Birmingham of Irish descent.

Good dancers, though.

I hope we can simmer down on this thread and all be friends.

I think Gnomie brings up an excellent point that the history of the Irish immigrants to Liverpool is not being given the mention in the current festivities it merits. I hope something can be done. Possibly by making sure that the contributions of Liverpool Irish like Kitty Wilkinson and 'Dandy' Pat Byrne are remembered is the way to help spread the word about the role of the Irish in Liverpool. Glad to see also that Ged is helping Ron Formby gather photographs for the Irish Festival as he reported a few days ago:

I am helping Ron Formby locate historic images of the Liverpool Irish in the Scotland Road area in support of the Scottie Press efforts to have the history, heritage and culture of the Scotland Road area included in the Liverpool Irish Festival 2008. Anyone who has photos or other memorablia that they feel might be able to assist this work can contact Ron on 0151 482 2000 or email ronformby@scottiepress.org

Cheers,

Ged.

Of course it can be argued that "official Liverpool" is not doing enough to celebrate the role of the Irish in Liverpool's heritage, and that's probably so. But it might be said, conceivably, about a number of the groups that make up Liverpool, isn't that so?

Chris

[kevin]

I guess we have to be a little careful as those claiming Irish heritage are often derided as 'Plastic Paddys'.

Proud of my Irish (and other) heritage, but don't make a song and dance about it.

[Ben]

I must admit, I am quite surprised by a few of the stated statistics on here ....
When I arrived in Liverpool (15ish years ago) I was greeted by many an Irish accent, and St Paddy's day here was like nowhere else in the UK.

That, coupled with a few of the (non statistical) books I have read a bit of about the history of Liverpool lead me to believe that the Irish contingent was quite large.

I've no reason to doubt the substantial contribution of other groups (the many Welsh built properties around where I live are significant evidence) ..... however, in the last 15 years I have accumulated several Irish friends, live next door to an Irishman and managed to meet a grand total of 0 Welsh people.

This isn't to deny any past contributions from others - purely my experiences to date, and possibly why I believed the Liverpool/Irish link was stronger than suggested by some (naming no names, Burnsey) on here.

[lindylou]

Well said I can't say I have many Argentinian friends (yet) I was in the Falklands and badly hurt. Pensioned off into teaching in 1982, but that's another story.

sorry to hear that Steven.

One of my friends, living in Buenos Aires provincia, I have been in contact with since 1980.
The other friend who lives in Rosario, has been to UK and stayed in L'pool on for 6 months a few years ago.

You know, like all wars, it's the powers that be that instigate the conflict, and oftentimes the ordinary man in the street has no pesonal grudge against the 'enemy'

When we had the Falklands conflict, never once did my Argentinian friends say a bad word about the British ( well not to my face any way !! )

.. and I never said a bad word to them about their countrymen either. My friends told me that, at the time there was no anti-British feeling among the ordinary Argentinian families.

We continued our friendship and we went on corresponding as though our countries were not at war.

My Argentinian friends love Liverpool in particular, and at one point it was arranged for two groups of school kids - one group from Buenos aires - the other from Liverpool - to communicate. The kids were made up.

So You see there isn't always an 'anti ' feeling between ordinary folk.

it makes you realise what a shame it is when war is foisted upon us.

ps,

funny thing is - on one of my first holidays in southern Spain we got talking to a couple who were on the same coach trip as us, and guess what - they turned out to be from Bs As. ( There must be something about me and Argentina)

[Steven]

Self appointed Hitman Steven steps in at this stage to calm this thread down.

Don't forget, I am ex- SBS !

Rules

1. Be nice to each other or I will twist yer Teddy's arms.

2. Respect each others views or I will not put yer dummys/soothers back in yer prams.

3. Yer all *Born again Scousers* here >>> No matter where you come from.

4. I have a punishment schedule waiting for anybody who breaks these rules.

5. Too cruel to put on here > you will have to Pm me.

6. No nappies/diapers will will changed for two weeks unless you behave.



This is an ORDER

[naked lilac]

AMEN... PEACE TO ALL ...

[lindylou]

... and d'ya know what .... I love the way Max comes in as cool as a cucumber - he's so level headed and unruffled.

( Max came in a few pages back !)

I like the way Max is so laid back.

[verdi]

I blame RINGO STARR !! I am a utopian who was it who said 'The Irish should forget their history, and the English should remember it!' Just read a battalion of Irish fought for Franco in the Spanish Civil War, the Blue Shirts. In Kung Fu once Master Po said 'If you live in the past, you rob the future' Make love not war

[molly]

I blame RINGO STARR !! I am a utopian who was it who said 'The Irish should forget their history, and the English should remember it!' Just read a battalion of Irish fought for Franco in the Spanish Civil War, the Blue Shirts. In Kung Fu once Master Po said 'If you live in the past, you rob the future' Make love not war

But sure didnt ya all know the Irish way of making love - by fighting.

[Waterways]

This isn't to deny any past contributions from others - purely my experiences to date,

You haven't been in Liverpool long enough.

[Waterways]

knows there is a lot more Irish culture here.

I'm at a loss to what apart from themed Irish pubs playing diddly-dee music that could be in Munich.

[Waterways]

I blame RINGO STARR !!

The only one of the Beatles that had no Irish blood in him whatsoever.