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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Yes but 900 into 300 doesn't go
    Lets not forget that there aren't even 300 who live there anymore, there's only about 70! This is about creating safe sustainable modern housing with gardens, open space and community facilities. If 900 houses where replaced with 900 houses, they would have to build terraces with no gardens, no off street parking, no facilities and no open space. Basically what is there now, which is what people don't want.

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    Yes but to put 300 into spaces that once held 900 means people are inevitably shipped out and will they all be sustainable affordable houses because out of the 90 scheduled for the Grosvenor st area, two thirds will be private. It is the continuity of depopulating inner area to outer areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    Just picking up on this one point to refute (of many possible candidates ); what leads you to think that anyone outside of Utopia is going to drop their primeaval territorial instincts and selflessly act for the greater good?
    Few will, that is why we have governments.

    To allude to another which appears similarly myopic; if anyone might build wherever anyone wanted 'within reason' (whatever that might mean),
    Not in National Parks, near nuclear power stations, etc.

    what effect due you think that this unbridled urban sprawl would have an our collective carbon footprint?
    As only 7.5% of the land mass is settled, we can't "sprawl" anywhere. There is just too much land in the country, to use the emotive propaganda word, "sprawl" onto.

    It would help considerably if you could distill the no-doubt cogent arguments in the accompanying links to screeds of closely type argument into a few sentences for all our benefit
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    All hope is lost for city?s derelict row
    Dec 6 2008
    by Marc Waddington, Liverpool Echo

    A NOTORIOUS row of derelict houses will be bulldozed despite years of campaigning to save them.

    Many of the homes, in Prescot Road and Prescot Drive, Fairfield, were boarded up in 2000 with the aim of redeveloping them in the future.

    They subsequently fell victim to vandals and arsonists, and now only a handful of people still live in the row, which is on a busy commuter route into the city centre.

    Campaigners claim they were assured one day they would be brought back to use and would be part of the regeneration of the area around Newsham Park.

    Now, after years of sitting empty, about 40 properties will face the wrecker?s ball.

    Cllr Louise Baldock, chairman of the Newsham Park steering group, said the news was received with dismay.

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    Unfortunately, they have been left too long! The Prescot Drive properties in particular are more likely to fall down on their own accord rather than with the assistance of the wrecking ball. Most of them have roofs that have caved in, subsequently meaning the floors have collapsed under the strain.

    It has after all been 8 going on 9 years since some of these houses were occupied, perhaps even longer since anyone repaired or cared for the buildings.
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    Any pics of them as they are now?
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    I am hoping the images speak for themselves!
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    nice photos Russ, those homes have been going down the nick for 15 years to my knowledge

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    Some are salvageable, other are not.
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    Demolition notices threaten Liverpool cultural gem
    Sep 3 2009
    by Ben Schofield, Liverpool Daily Post

    A CITY university is pushing ahead with plans to tear down crumbling city centre buildings, despite fears the work may also bring down a neighbouring cultural gem.

    Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine (LSTM) say 31 Pembroke Place ? which is opposite their new campus ? is a danger to the public and needs to be demolished.

    But the owner of number 29 next door ? the site of historic Galkoff?s butchers ? says his building relies on 31 for structural support.

    The shop, first opened in 1907 and now Grade II-listed, is renowned as the only surviving example of a tiled Kosher butchers in the UK. Original owner Percy Galkoff was also thought to be the first meat seller to use a fridge.

    Now LSTM has notified the council it will be pulling down number 31.

    The owner of Galkoff?s, Rob Ainsworth, has also been notified by LSTM under Party Wall legislation about the imminent demolition.

    LSTM says it will do it all it can to support the party wall, but Mr Ainsworth remains unconvinced.

    Galkoff?s has already lost support to one side. Number 27 was knocked down to make way for a block of apartments and shops in the mid-1990s.

    Fears over the safety of the building then prompted builders to drive bolts through 29 and 31?s adjoining wall to stop Galkoff?s toppling over.

    Mr Ainsworth said last night: ?As my property was built as part of a terrace, I don?t think it will survive as a stand-alone building.

    ?It?s already lost the support 27 provided before it was demolished in 1994. The loss of the building mass of 31 and weathering problems to the exposed gable wall, plus wind suction, means it doesn?t bode well for Galkoff?s.

    ?Something might also go wrong in the demolition ? an ?enthusiastic demolition?, they call it.?

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