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    To excavate the whole pool would have been a staggering exercise for the time but several options were looked at Thomas Steers' was the best.

    As it was, it was a huge risk even at the size of the Old Dock and the city mortgaged its property holdings to do it. A fantastic but successful gamble; but it was enough. Why would they risk more than needed (or in fact more than they had)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Why was Wallasey Pool named "Birkenhead Docks? Odd.
    Isn't it called Wallasey West and East Floats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    To excavate the whole pool would have been a staggering exercise for the time
    It was a staggering exercise to fill it - and most was filled not made into a dock. It would say that it would have been no more expensive to deepen parts of it and build quays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    Isn't it called Wallasey West and East Floats?
    Nope. The border runs up the middle of the floats.
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    It was a staggering exercise to fill it - and most was filled not made into a dock. It would say that it would have been no more expensive to deepen parts of it and build quays.
    I believe horizontal timber stays were found anchoring the dock walls to the surrounding rock/silt/mud (rather than the dock walls holding back large volumes of infill). This suggests the dock was substantially dug into the muddy banks or maybe half dug in as a 'cut and fill' and there would thus have been minimal fill. I would have thought the rest of the creek almost filled itself in as the creek would not have carried the silt away any longer. Maybe there is a culvert somewhere carrying the original creek, perhaps running into the dock under John Lewis?

    Perhaps someone here has the archaeological report from the recent diggings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    I believe horizontal timber stays were found anchoring the dock walls to the surrounding rock/silt/mud (rather than the dock walls holding back large volumes of infill). This suggests the dock was substantially dug into the muddy banks or maybe half dug in as a 'cut and fill' and there would thus have been minimal fill. I would have thought the rest of the creek almost filled itself in as the creek would not have carried the silt away any longer. Maybe there is a culvert somewhere carrying the original creek, perhaps running into the dock under John Lewis?

    Perhaps someone here has the archaeological report from the recent diggings?
    I think so,that waters got to go somewhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    I believe horizontal timber stays were found anchoring the dock walls to the surrounding rock/silt/mud (rather than the dock walls holding back large volumes of infill). This suggests the dock was substantially dug into the muddy banks or maybe half dug in as a 'cut and fill' and there would thus have been minimal fill. I would have thought the rest of the creek almost filled itself in as the creek would not have carried the silt away any longer. Maybe there is a culvert somewhere carrying the original creek, perhaps running into the dock under John Lewis?

    Perhaps someone here has the archaeological report from the recent diggings?
    The timbers are to key the walls into the in-fill. The walls would have been built with the timber laid and then in-filled around the walls. Boats would lay up fro Paradise St/Lord St junction and even to Williamson square, although only small boast past the junction.
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    The pool was shallow and barely useable and narrowed dramatically; it seems the dock was dug into it:

    http://thehumanjourney.net/index.php...=57&Itemid=108

    a thin channel to the river was maintained (see illustration). On this basis, to dig out the whole creek would have been at fantastic cost and thus unfeasible and in any event wouldn't have suited large ships.

    The history of the port has been one of building ever bigger docks to suit ever bigger ships. As it is, it was a spectacular gamble which of course was a great success.

    It was never a cuddly little Mevagissey with cutesy little fishing boats but always strove to be a great sea port.

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    From "Recollections of Old Liverpool" by A
    Nonagenarian:
    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/21324...tm#startoftext


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    ...Preeson?s-row was named after Alderman Preeson, who built his house and two others of the old Castle materials. Part of Castle-street is also constructed of the timbers and stones.

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