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    kev - im sorry, i dont follow your logic there....

    i went to see the wombats and ringo play live. ringo sang live (unfortunately) and the wombats mimed, as did ringo when he was playing the drums at the start of the event - from what i could tell. i'd love to stand corrected, but people seem to be agreeing with me....
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    I wouldn't have been that disappointed had I went myself. The point of the event was to launch the Capital of Culture year, we've still got 11 months to showcase Liverpool's live musical talents.
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    I personally thought it was truly spectacular. The lighting, the interaction with the screens and the use of the cranes was truly amazing. It had everything you could want in an opening ceremony, and it's important to remember that it was an opening ceremony, not a concert.
    The concert is at the arena tonight. There was alot of people there and at times it was very hard to move, but it was nothing to be overly worried about. I wish people would stop moaning and stop trying to find something negative with everything that is done, just enjoy yourselves!
    It was fantastic and a truly amazing opening for 2008. I applaud everyone who was involved in organising it, and hope to see more of this over the coming year. Happy 2008!
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    oh right...so you can defend the event you didnt even see...

    lets hope they dont all mime for the rest of the year. thousands of musical events would have happened in the city this year even if liverpool had never won the capital of culture because MONEY IS NOT CULTURE!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK1 View Post
    I personally thought it was truly spectacular. The lighting, the interaction with the screens and the use of the cranes was truly amazing. It had everything you could want in an opening ceremony, and it's important to remember that it was an opening ceremony, not a concert.
    The concert is at the arena tonight. There was alot of people there and at times it was very hard to move, but it was nothing to be overly worried about. I wish people would stop moaning and stop trying to find something negative with everything that is done, just enjoy yourselves!
    It was fantastic and a truly amazing opening for 2008. I applaud everyone who was involved in organising it, and hope to see more of this over the coming year. Happy 2008!
    That's how I felt about it AK1. I found it to be spectacular, dramatic and interesting - you didn't know what was going to happen next.

    Very good I don't regret going at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimng View Post
    oh right...so you can defend the event you didnt even see...
    For me its much more important than a band singing live.

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    lets hope they dont all mime for the rest of the year. thousands of musical events would have happened in the city this year even if liverpool had never won the capital of culture because MONEY IS NOT CULTURE!!!!!!
    Honestly? Have you always been interested in Liverpool, or just in 2008?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mimng View Post
    no. our taxes paid for it.
    Firstly, per person it will have cost us practically nothing, and secondly it was money well spent!
    What are they supposed to do?, not have any events at all because it might cost the taxpayers some money. What a truly selfish and nieve comment.

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    its not a naive comment. someone said it was free, but of course it wasnt, nothing ever is. cost per person is low?? £100m just on the celebrations for the year, according to the Daily Post. And this from the Guardian, 9 Jan 2008:

    " The city council has identified a budget gap of about £20m for the next year: a result of hosting the capital of culture. With council tax increases capped at 5%, the council will be forced to borrow money, sell off council land, refinance assets, or use up most of its financial reserves to raise the funds. Do Liverpudlians have a right to feel aggrieved about the inevitable council tax hikes, seeing as payoffs to senior executives have been costly?"

    if you take my comments in the wider context (ie capital of culture is about lining rich people's pockets and not investing in culture) then i believe it is big business that is selfish in this city, and nationwide. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and this whole capitalism of culture is a microcosm of that.

    but why am i so annoyed about acts miming? because this is supposed be about CULTURE and we were forced to listen to a CD playing, and musicians delivering fake performances. if you cant understand that that is selling culture short, then I cannot understand how you can understand culture at all.

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    mimng, or is it John?
    You talk about honesty.
    Why can't YOU be honest enough to post in your usual name, rather than inventing one just to have a go at last night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    In case u want it one more time Paul....

    ...ringos new single:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_vi...ml?id=3699447n
    Kev.. ta for that video.. I loved the song.. very nice lyrics.. and well.. I quess the lyrics say it all about HIS life.. What an Icon.. and YES.. he has given back to the City 100%.. Too bad Paul didn't join him in this commemoration.. Well.. JOLLY GOOD... yeah yeah yeah.. LIVERPOOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimng View Post
    kev - im sorry, i dont follow your logic there....

    i went to see the wombats and ringo play live. ringo sang live (unfortunately) and the wombats mimed, as did ringo when he was playing the drums at the start of the event - from what i could tell. i'd love to stand corrected, but people seem to be agreeing with me....
    I agree with you.
    Some people will accept anything.Even miming and kidding the audience.
    By the way,lots of freebies was had by most of the staff!!!!

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    where are the 300million people who watched it situated, there is absolutely no coverage of it down here and the only link i can find is this article that appeared in the NZ herald , our largest paper on December the 4th

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/15...ectid=10480195

    sometimes numbers get way exagerated to help the hype, they do it down here every time the rugby world cup is on by stating it's the 3rd largest sporting event in the world

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    Shoney.. I tried to locate it on TV here too..was suppose to be showing.. but, for the life of me..I couldn't find it.. CBS or ABC or ??? Well, YO and its people have brought at least the real thing to life.. and Thanks from me.. Hopefully somewhere in the later news tonight.. it will be shown.. I will keep posted.. aloha...

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    Found a video done by CBS of Ringos 08 performance on you tube. Unfortunatly I am unable to put the link to it on here.

    So the best thing to do is go to You Tube, search under Ringo Starr Liverpool 08 and you should see the video near the top

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbeh64 View Post
    Found a video done by CBS of Ringos 08 performance on you tube. Unfortunatly I am unable to put the link to it on here.

    So the best thing to do is go to You Tube, search under Ringo Starr Liverpool 08 and you should see the video near the top


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    My final video of last night. Enjoy or not!



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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    As the great Stuart Hall would say on It`s a Knockout "Nil Points" for
    Liverpool`s opening night of the C O C. It looked like all the fellows that have been working on the various building sites in the city had decided to have
    a party in their working clothes
    Hi greg's dad, As far as I understand it, the workmen and cranes featured were to represent the 'big dig' - there was a slogan about the ''big dig coming to the gig'' - I think it was a good idea to make a reference to the cranes which have been part of our landscape for so long.


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    The narrator who was at the top of the Wellington column - does anyone know who he was ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    mimng, or is it John?
    You talk about honesty.
    Why can't YOU be honest enough to post in your usual name, rather than inventing one just to have a go at last night?
    honestly, phil G, im not john. i don't know john, unless john is the john who is the drummer in my band. and i dont think he is (mainly because the john i know cant use a computer)!

    i am merely a disaffected punter who typed in 'liverpool forum' into google and came here in order to vent spleen about last night. is john a notorious doom-sayer on this site? he seems pretty right on to me!

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    Well I went to both events and was hugely impressed with both.

    The friday night event was brilliant. I was very impressed with the use of the plateau and everyone around me had a great time. The cranes, guitarists on car parks etc was clever and the kids demonstrating their work was a nice touch.

    As to any accusations of miming. I didnt get any inkling of that from either Ringo or the Wombats.

    Even if they did. it wasnt a concert, it was a ceremony. The Big Dig/Gig thing was only used because it rhymed!

    The archer at the BArcelona olymics in 1992 actually missed the torch and it was activated by a machine, btu who cared? Nobody. It was great anyway.

    Also I'm glad they veered away from Beatles stuff on this occasion. If they would have trotted out any of those, it would have looked far too much like we were indeed living in the past.

    Yes Ringo was there, but he is an actively recording artist and to use new stuff blended in our past with our future pretty well.

    So Friday got a thumbs up from me.

    On to Saturday.

    As opposed to the more cynical on here the whole thing wasnt a big corporate shmooze at all.

    How did I get in? I got in for FREE because of my charity work, along with hundreds of others. Loads of seats were given away by the Culture Company to local community organisations.

    As to the content. Really good actually. Chest swelling pride stuff at times.

    The orchestra was immense throughout, along with the No Fakin boys. You name it, rope stunts, Irish solo singers, African music, breakdancers, a moving tribute to John Lennon, amazing visuals, the Farm getting everybody on their feet and of course...Mr Starr giving us a rendition of his horribly sentimental but ultimately quite cosy new single (which suffered the only technical glitch of the whole night) as well as "a little help from my friends" and "power to the people" when all the artists came on stage for a signalong.

    Brilliantly executed and a tremendous opening weekend.

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    Unhappy Friday, January 11, 2008

    IS THAT IT........?

    WE went with high hopes - but left with huge disappointment.
    Tonight's opening was typical of the Culture Company's top down approach.
    A massive crowd turned up expecting a great show.
    But none of us were engaged.
    There was no singalong to any recognisable Liverpool 'anthem'.
    No dancing. No terrace chants. No humour.
    No emotional engagement with what is being done in our name, with our money, in our city.
    Instead we were presented with a generally uninspiring, unfocussed, unintelligible series of set piece scenes.
    It was cold and flat and, sadly, a bit dull.
    It has also cost the city a fortune.
    Ringo's appearance was a cynical attempt to cash in on the year - and promote his new single. Incredibly, the unknown MC told us, without a trace of Scouse irony, that Ringo's single was "on sale on Monday."
    People in the crowd shuffled their feet with embarrassment.
    As the patient and passive spectators were showered with confetti, one wag near us commented loudly: "That's council taxpayer's money."
    The sound was crap, the fireworks flat and the music, too often, a lifeless thrash.
    St George's Hall, as ever, looked wonderful.
    People started leaving after 30 minutes.
    By the end, most of us were dying to get off to the pub and drown our disappointment.
    We have no doubt that the people of Liverpool will make the most of 2008.
    But on the evidence of this damp squib, it will be in spite of the city council and the Culture Company and the hangers-on and the bullsh!tters - not because of them.
    We will say no more, except to record the fact that Jason Harborow had the utterly astonishing cheek to turn up at the after show party at the Empire where he spent most of the time the time drinking with Hasitall and Colin CoverUp. No doubt negotiating his pay-off. We will post a picture soon.
    We leave any further comment on what should have been an historic and celebratory night to you, the people of Liverpool. Feel free.
    This is Liverpool, European Capital of Culture 2008.

    Source: Liverpool subCulture

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    I clicked on the link in the above post, and every last comment was negative.

    Representative?
    I think not.

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    what actually goes on during this capital of culture year, I have no idea, I know people are spending vast amounts of money trying to beautify the place but I still don't know what really happens, does anyone else have a clue.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoney View Post
    what actually goes on during this capital of culture year, I have no idea, I know people are spending vast amounts of money trying to beautify the place but I still don't know what really happens, does anyone else have a clue.?
    Presentation of the Capitals

    The title "European Capital of Culture" was designed to help bring European citizens closer together. This was the idea underlying its launch in June 1985 by the Council of Ministers of the European Union on the initiative of Melina Mercouri. Owing to the many visitors it has attracted, the title has since gone from strength to strength in Europe. This event is different from other cultural events by its size and its visibility. It requires a high standard of artistic quality.

    Since 1985, more than 30 cities have been designated European Capitals of Culture, from Stockholm to Genoa, Athens to Glasgow, and Cracow to Porto. Over the years, this event has evolved without losing sight of its primary objective : to highlight the richness and diversity of European cultures and the features they share, promote greater mutual acquaintance between European citizens, foster a feeling of European citizenship.

    Below you will find all the relevant information about the development of the action since 1985, the current process of designating the European capitals of Culture, and the European co-funding of the event. Various experiences from previous European Capital of Culture (ECOC) selections are presented to illustrate the criteria the cities have to meet in order to be selected.


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    I thought it was brilliant

    My vantage point wasn't so brilliant, there was a tree between me and most of the action but I thought the setting of the show was superb, using all the buildings in sight with a fantastic light and firework show. All the acrobats performing in mid-air being swung around by the cranes were brilliant! Especially the bit with the animation on the big screens and the people acting in front of it. It didn't take me long to realise the guitarists were faking it, but I didn't let it spoil the show - I was there to enjoy myself so I did I must say though I didn't know the Wombats or Ringo were miming. Why give Ringo such a slating? Criticised for leaving Liverpool, and now criticised when he comes back! Everyone in earshot of me at least gave him a rapturous welcome back.


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    Friday's show made me proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    I clicked on the link in the above post, and every last comment was negative.

    Representative?
    I think not.

    True. I never listen to much that is said on the Liverpool Subculture. We often log on at work to simply giggle at the moaning LCC employees who winge at everything and anything done by anyone except comrade Joe Anderson and his cronies who wish nothing but to take the city the point where all have to queue for our bread before taking our hammer and sickle out into the fields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimng View Post
    honestly, phil G, im not john. i don't know john, unless john is the john who is the drummer in my band. and i dont think he is (mainly because the john i know cant use a computer)!

    i am merely a disaffected punter who typed in 'liverpool forum' into google and came here in order to vent spleen about last night. is john a notorious doom-sayer on this site? he seems pretty right on to me!
    I think they think you are me or I am you.
    If they had enough balls just to say so.
    I will not and never have hidden my name,changed it or whatever you think.
    I am what I am,like it or loathe it.I am me.
    You are what you is.
    So anyone who thinks am signing in as mimng please say so...to my face(address available upon request).Am not into silly stupid games kidz!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John(Zappa) View Post
    I think they think you are me or I am you.
    If they had enough balls just to say so.
    I will not and never have hidden my name,changed it or whatever you think.
    I am what I am,like it or loathe it.I am me.
    You are what you is.
    So anyone who thinks am signing in as mimng please say so...to my face(address available upon request).Am not into silly stupid games kidz!!
    John, the member in question mimng, shares the same IP address as another member called 'Jon' who I'm still waiting hear from, I had earlier posted a message in error with the name spelt 'John'. Thats probably the misunderstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    John, the member in question mimng, shares the same IP address as another member called 'Jon' who I'm still waiting hear from, I had earlier posted a message in error with the name spelt 'John'. Thats probably the misunderstanding.
    My comment wasn't aimed at any John in particular, and I did put a question mark, but even without Kev's typo it was obvious that mimng was invented for one purpose only.
    I do apologise to all the John's on this forum.

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