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    Banksy rat attraction covered up


    Half of the Banksy Mural is covered with hoardings

    A mural by graffiti artist Banksy has been partially covered up by council workers in Liverpool, despite been hailed a Capital of Culture attraction.


    Last month Liverpool City Council said the famous giant rat sprayed on a Berry Street building, would be "preserved for 2008", but now half is obscured.

    Hoardings have covered the lower half of the painting, which the artist created for Liverpool Biennial in 2004.

    The council also promoted it as part of a campaign to cover city "grot spots".


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    The former White House pub, which is now derelict, has been identified by council bosses as one of a number of buildings to be covered by artwork to detract from the eyesores for the Capital of Culture year.

    The huge rat itself has also been painted around.

    Liverpool Culture Company are yet to comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Banksy rat attraction covered up


    Half of the Banksy Mural is covered with hoardings

    A mural by graffiti artist Banksy has been partially covered up by council workers in Liverpool, despite been hailed a Capital of Culture attraction.


    Last month Liverpool City Council said the famous giant rat sprayed on a Berry Street building, would be "preserved for 2008", but now half is obscured.

    Hoardings have covered the lower half of the painting, which the artist created for Liverpool Biennial in 2004.

    The council also promoted it as part of a campaign to cover city "grot spots".

    The former White House pub, which is now derelict, has been identified by council bosses as one of a number of buildings to be covered by artwork to detract from the eyesores for the Capital of Culture year.

    The huge rat itself has also been painted around.

    Liverpool Culture Company are yet to comment.

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    How it looked a while ago
    As nice as it is, the rat that is, it hardly covers up the grotty building does it?

    This should have been sort a long time ago if you ask me but nothin surprises me with our Council. Sorry if you work for the Council by the way.

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    I think I'll start a new website and see how many buildings have been covered up - it's going to get to the point soon where there are more buildings boarded up than not!

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    It does somewhat draw attention!

    Going on from what Cadfael said; we might even get a tour out of it! !

    Seriously, I think who-ever could have had another procedure that could be enforced along side the artwork idea. It is a good way of making several "grot-spots" look attractive, but there can be too much of a good thing!
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    looks like a load of rubbish to me, the place needs knocking down, theres probably plenty more rats on the inside by the look of the place, berry st is at the top of bold street i think, surely being so close to the city centre the land this eyesore sits on would be more valuable than the grotty eyesore that sits on it to a developer , liverpool needs to embrace the 21st century and let go of some of these old buildings (not all of them just the ones that have no use, are un-economical, dangerous and ugly ).

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    Rat mural pub is 'beyond repair'

    Liverpool Culture Company says it had "no choice" but to partially cover a piece of artwork because the building it is on is in "serious disrepair".


    Half of the Banksy Mural is
    covered with hoardings


    The graffitied rat by renowned artist Banksy formed part of the 2004 Liverpool Biennial and is hailed as an attraction for Capital of Culture.

    Visitors to the city complained that it covered up an interesting and exciting piece of art.

    The Culture Company said the lower part was covered to improve its appearance.

    "We are committed to improving the appearance of high profile grot spots in the city.," said the company.

    "The former White House pub is in a state of serious disrepair. We have painted round the upper part of the mural to preserve it.

    'Artists consulted'

    "Unfortunately, the lower part of the artwork was in such a poor state that it was beyond repair and we felt we had no choice but to erect the hoardings.

    "We consulted with figures in the city's artistic community before taking this action and believe we have found the best possible solution in terms of preserving what we could of the artwork."

    The former White House pub, which is now derelict, has been identified by council bosses as one of a number of buildings to be covered by artwork to detract from the eyesores for the Capital of Culture year.

    Source: BBC NEWS | Merseyside

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    Graffitti.Nothing but graffitti.
    Am not impressed.Don't like the stuff and never will.Good artist but why the hell does he think we all wanna see it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    Rat mural pub is 'beyond repair'

    Liverpool Culture Company says it had "no choice" but to partially cover a piece of artwork because the building it is on is in "serious disrepair".


    Half of the Banksy Mural is
    covered with hoardings


    The graffitied rat by renowned artist Banksy formed part of the 2004 Liverpool Biennial and is hailed as an attraction for Capital of Culture.

    Visitors to the city complained that it covered up an interesting and exciting piece of art.

    The Culture Company said the lower part was covered to improve its appearance.

    "We are committed to improving the appearance of high profile grot spots in the city.," said the company.

    "The former White House pub is in a state of serious disrepair. We have painted round the upper part of the mural to preserve it.

    'Artists consulted'

    "Unfortunately, the lower part of the artwork was in such a poor state that it was beyond repair and we felt we had no choice but to erect the hoardings.

    "We consulted with figures in the city's artistic community before taking this action and believe we have found the best possible solution in terms of preserving what we could of the artwork."

    The former White House pub, which is now derelict, has been identified by council bosses as one of a number of buildings to be covered by artwork to detract from the eyesores for the Capital of Culture year.

    Source: BBC NEWS | Merseyside
    If only they could take the rat down in one peice. Don't they know how much Banksy's art can be sold for? They would have the money to build another Liverpool One!

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    heard a woman on the radio today saying that she thought it was a cat and not a rat !


    I'm so glad someone has said that ! I was begining to think I was stupid - 'cos I can't see no rat !! I can see a large balck & white cat and a rat's tail.

    Why do they always refer to it as Banksy's rat when it is clearly a cat ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    heard a woman on the radio today saying that she thought it was a cat and not a rat !


    I'm so glad someone has said that ! I was begining to think I was stupid - 'cos I can't see no rat !! I can see a large balck & white cat and a rat's tail.

    Why do they always refer to it as Banksy's rat when it is clearly a cat ???
    I thought it was a cat -- although now I look closer the tail does look like a rat's.

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    I too Thought it was a Cat.

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    not much of an artist is he if it looks more like a cat than a rat, as for street art why doesn't he do it in his street on his own building instead of on junk buildings, he obviously didn't expect it to stay on there forever as part of the cat overlaps onto the boards that have been nailed up over the windows

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    Well, I too, always thought it a black and white Cat.. I really enjoy looking at it myself.. If I had the money, I would of loved to rebuild that structure into another thriving pub..(leaving that artwork).. naming it after that CAT RAT...?
    Last edited by naked lilac; 01-09-2008 at 04:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoney View Post
    not much of an artist is he if it looks more like a cat than a rat, as for street art why doesn't he do it in his street on his own building instead of on junk buildings, he obviously didn't expect it to stay on there forever as part of the cat overlaps onto the boards that have been nailed up over the windows

    Hi shoney

    I appreciate your point of view, although I think part of the point of Banksy is that his work is snap art, meant to be temporary, and often prank art, as it were. As such I find what he does interesting and maybe has more merit than the work of other modern "artists" who create blank canvases and the like and call it art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi shoney

    I appreciate your point of view, although I think part of the point of Banksy is that his work is snap art, meant to be temporary, and often prank art, as it were. As such I find what he does interesting and maybe has more merit than the work of other modern "artists" who create blank canvases and the like and call it art.

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    thats cool, so if it's meant to be temporary, why is everyone so upset if something about it gets changed/altered, not worth getting uptight about in the first place I reckon

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    Get Banksy to repainted It afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Get Banksy to repainted It afterwards.
    if he does tell him his rats are crap they look like cats

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    I was about the only person on a Flickr site who thought the face looked like a cat.
    I suspect that the trendies think it's more "sexy" to call it a rat.

    Some kids once called my dog (see my avatar) a "rat on a rope", which made me smile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoney View Post
    if he does tell him his rats are crap they look like cats
    Yup,I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    I was about the only person on a Flickr site who thought the face looked like a cat.
    I suspect that the trendies think it's more "sexy" to call it a rat.

    Some kids once called my dog (see my avatar) a "rat on a rope", which made me smile.
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    Row escalates over cover-up of graffiti artist Banksy’s 30ft rat
    Jan 10 2008
    by Liza Williams, Liverpool Daily Post



    AN ART festival director has defended Liverpool Culture Company’s decision to cover up part of a public artwork at the start of 2008, saying the mural still looks “fantastic”.

    Britain’s biggest creation by renowned graffiti artist Banksy adorns The White Horse pub, on the edge of the city’s China Town on Berry Street, and is regularly snapped by tourists.

    But the bottom half has been covered up by the Culture Company with hoardings because the building has fallen into disrepair.

    Some visitors to the city have complained the wooden supports are covering up an interesting and exciting piece of art at a time when Liverpool should be capitalising on such pieces.

    But programme director for Liverpool Biennial, Laurie Peake, said: “I was actually pleasantly surprised by how it has been dealt with. I think it still looks fantastic and I do not see what else they could have done.”

    The mural of a 30ft rat was created in 2004 during the Biennial festival and although the art event did not commission the work it was widely incorporated into the celebrations.

    Bristol-based Banksy has since conquered the art world with his unique urban art exhibitions and counts Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie among his fans.

    Last April, a new record price was set for a piece by the artist when Space Girl and Bird reached £288,000 at London auction house Bonhams.

    Shortly after, Banksy won the award for Art’s Greatest Living Briton.

    A Liverpool Culture Company spokeswoman said: “The Banksy rat is being covered because we are striving to improve the appearance of high-profile grot spots.

    “Since the Biennial, it has been preserved as much as possible with painting – but the bottom half of has been falling into disrepair. The decision was made that it was beyond repair and we felt we had no choice but to erect the hoardings.

    “We consulted with figures in the city’s artistic community before taking this action and believe we have found the best possible solution in terms of preserving what we could of the artwork.”

    Event management specialists Purple Revolver, who are hosting an urban art festival this year, think the action is short-sighted.

    Director Amber Tan said: “Instead of covering up a real tourist attraction, they should be shouting about the fact that Liverpool has got the biggest piece of Banksy graffiti in the country.

    “They should be preserving it – it's not hard to touch it up with a lick of paint.

    “You can often see people stopping to take pictures of it. There is no reason why the graffiti could not be worked into any future renovation scheme for this building.”

    Source: Liverpool Daily Post

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    I think the big question remains, why is LCC still trying to disguise buildings now that we're actually in 2008. Couldn't they have at least done this in 2007 and avoided publicity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadfael View Post
    I think the big question remains, why is LCC still trying to disguise buildings now that we're actually in 2008. Couldn't they have at least done this in 2007 and avoided publicity?
    Hi Cadfael

    It would appear to me that the same controversy would have arisen if the Banksy artwork had been covered up in 2007 or 2008. It occurs to me though that the stink about it is good and that enough people are speaking up for preserving it and fixing up the building, that this might actually happen. I sincerely hope so.

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    who would fix it up and why?is it really of any use or just sentimental value, sometimes there is a feeling that sometimes old things should be preserved just because they are old, if this was the case the world over there would be no progress, realisically if no-one has been interested in the use of the building and the only way to get them to use the building is to tell them they SHOULD be interested in it because it's old then this is not right in my view

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    Well, I'm glad it's been pointed out at last that it looks like a cat !

    I thought It was just me .... 'cos not another soul has mentioned it - all the time it's been there.

    it is like the 'Emperor's New Clothes' ... no one said anything ! Ha!


    I always thought it looked like a cat, but no one else seemed to notice .. I could see a rat's tail .. and I thought perhaps the rat has been painted out or something .. or is it hiding behind the black & white cat !

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoney View Post
    who would fix it up and why?is it really of any use or just sentimental value, sometimes there is a feeling that sometimes old things should be preserved just because they are old, if this was the case the world over there would be no progress, realisically if no-one has been interested in the use of the building and the only way to get them to use the building is to tell them they SHOULD be interested in it because it's old then this is not right in my view
    Hello shoney

    It's not because it's old. It's by a famous artist. It's eye catching and worthwhile. It should be preserved for those reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    Well, I'm glad it's been pointed out at last that it looks like a cat !

    I thought It was just me .... 'cos not another soul has mentioned it - all the time it's been there.

    it is like the 'Emperor's New Clothes' ... no one said anything ! Ha!


    I always thought it looked like a cat, but no one else seemed to notice .. I could see a rat's tail .. and I thought perhaps the rat has been painted out or something .. or is it hiding behind the black & white cat !
    Let's call it Banksy's CRAT - keep everyone happy!

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    All the lower parts are painted on rough boards and are not wearing well, and the one that had Banksy's signature on has been stolen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hello shoney

    It's not because it's old. It's by a famous artist. It's eye catching and worthwhile. It should be preserved for those reasons.

    Chris
    sorry mate it's just my view, i've never heard of him till this thread and his medium seems to be quite temporay for it or part of it to be preserved, his pics don't even seem relative to the buildings they are painted on,m maybe if he stuck another cat on st georges hall or a cat on top of st johns beacon ( similar to the goodies )
    then maybe the 2 could go hand in hand, but if you paint a picture on a dog turd it always looks like a dog turd with a bit of paint on it.

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