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    I drive past these signs on Townsend lane,quite often,but The other day I actually wondered what they were for,as it seems daft warning drivers to stop at a red light....and there's 2 of them?????
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    Are there two stop lines?

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    I can see why..

    There are two sets of lights close to each other. I bet people were looking at the far set of lights and stopping at the second stop line by mistake.

    It's a wierd intersection, I can see why mistakes could be made -

    http://g.co/maps/drjg9

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    What is needed perhaps is a shot at the first stop line. It looks as though there is a cycle-lane coloured strip across the road where the stop line(s) is/are, for bikes to go right in front of the stopped cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oudeis View Post
    What is needed perhaps is a shot at the first stop line. It looks as though there is a cycle-lane coloured strip across the road where the stop line(s) is/are, for bikes to go right in front of the stopped cars
    Her is the second stop line.

    http://g.co/maps/75cy2

    The first stop line is lost in the red bicycle crossing , it's hard to see where the actual line is - very poor design

    http://g.co/maps/cj55n

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    Yup, that is what I thought. Naughty drivers, thanks AZ.

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    The US standard actually separates the crosswalk markings from a stop line, and the stop line is much wider -



    All you ever wanted to know about markings here....



    http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/services/p...2090/index.htm

    Our homeowners assoc has 10 miles of private roads so I sometimes get involved in this stuff.

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    Blind drivers must have a hard time with all this.

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    nah... they can just go by this book - page 35 of chapter 3 says the stop lines shall be 12 to 24 inches wide, and that any crosswalk shall be 4 ft away from the stop line. Cross walk lines shall be 6 to 12 inches wide.

    http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009/part3.pdf Chapter 3 only

    Whole document here - http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009/pdf_index.htm

    Looks like the UK standards needs to be made clearer.... This Federal document is an attempt to get states to standardise their markings and signs - it's worked because the Feds have the Highway Funds purse strings...

    They also probably have a braille version of this book...

    Our assoc does buy a lot of signs, so I tried to see which US one would be closest to the blue signs in the first post. I think it's this one -



    A blue sign in the US is general services information, and nothing to do with traffic control - such as -


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    Over here, in the rush to accommodate cyclists there is bound to be some overlap. There are also some very short cycle paths of a few metres. This here is somebody trying to make it safer for cyclists to turn right and it has to better that they steam on and just do it rather than wait around for...more white paint.

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    I just wonder how many drivers look at them and say "Yeh,I know,that's what red lights mean"! Do they serve any practical purpose? I got beeped,for stopping to study them!

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    Zooming out from Az's map I can see this is a bit of a race track, merging and de-merging from two-way to one-way and back. I suppose it's all down to the timing and sequence of the lights. Cyclist would be risking life and limb tuning into Maiden's Lane while the lights were green. Why the central reservation too? They could put a filter turning right at the junction and stream all traffic at the de-merger point...what do I know?

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    There was a serious road accident on this road a while back when a woman was killed. They've since added umpteen changes to the road signage and road layout.
    There was a school there which has since been demolished and in it's place we now have a new Health centre....it is still a very busy thoroughfare.
    The whole Anfield area has been inundated with an abundance of road signs since the residents parking Zone came into play too. They must have used hundreds of gallons of road paint and made the road sign makers millionaire's!!!! And they are still making changes............Lynholme Road for example...........coming from Cherry Lane along Utting Avenue.....you can no longer turn left along Lynholme......so yet again more signs!!!

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    this is a new(ish) set of lights to aid 2 cars an hour who want to cross townsend.. the stop line on maiden is so far back by time u have crossed stop line ready to turn the lights have changed.
    as for the stupid cycle lane come on willya WHEN WAS LAST TIME YOU SAW A CYCLIST STOP AT A SET OF LIGHTS

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouseman101 View Post
    this is a new(ish) set of lights to aid 2 cars an hour who want to cross townsend.. the stop line on maiden is so far back by time u have crossed stop line ready to turn the lights have changed.
    as for the stupid cycle lane come on willya WHEN WAS LAST TIME YOU SAW A CYCLIST STOP AT A SET OF LIGHTS

    Only once i have seen a cyclist obey a red light anywhere local.They risk their lives pushing through the traffic or mount the pavements and cut across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevsy View Post
    Only once i have seen a cyclist obey a red light anywhere local.They risk their lives pushing through the traffic or mount the pavements and cut across.
    Here is the Arizona highlight off a state website - as you say, I can think of over half of these that get broken by almost every rider...


    ADVERTISING




    Arizona Bicycle Laws
    • ARS 28-644 Stop for traffic lights and stop signs
    • ARS 28-817 Always use a white headlight and a red rear reflector when you cycle after sunset or before sunrise
    • ARS 28-792 ARS 28-904 Yield to pedestrians at crosswalks and on sidewalks
    • ARS 28-756 Before you turn or change lanes, look behind you, signal to show your plan to turn or change lanes, and yield to any traffic already there. Cyclists may signal their turns by extending either their left arm for a left turn or their right arm for a right turn
    • ARS 28-721 Any vehicle moving slower than the normal traffic speed shall drive in the right-hand lane, or “as close as PRACTICABLE” to the right edge of the road, except when preparing to turn left or when passing
    • ARS 28-704 Any vehicle on a two-lane road that has five or more vehicles behind it must pull off at the first safe pullout to allow the vehicles behind to proceed
    • ARS 28-815 Special conditions that affect cyclists more than motorists are recognized in the law
    • Riding two abreast is permitted by law (A.R.S. 28-815)
    It sounds like 2% of traffic fatalities are cyclists -

    http://www.azgohs.gov/transportation...ault.asp?ID=16

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