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    I was having a wander round,down by Canada dock,and noticed this"tower" in Brunswick place,which is just opposite! I've passed it many times,but on giving it some attention,I wondered what it was?
    It's got the remains of a lightning conductor running down the side,so I presume it was the tallest building in the vicinity,at one time,and looking at the stonework,it seemed more ornate,and older,than the buildings next to it (what's left of them!) and just looks odd!
    So,as I know the area was much more populated,in years gone by,I wondered if it was once a church,and if it had been incorporated into the surrounding warehouses? Probably not,but does anyone know anything about it?


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    This is all a wee bit much for the likes of me, with (sm)all my local knowledge.

    I did come across this though...

    Recollections of Old Liverpool, by A Nonagenarian

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/21324...-h/21324-h.htm

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    Thanks for that Oudeis. Looks interesting,but it'll take a while to read through!

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    I've bookmarked it

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    This contains one of - if not the biggest write up's of Joseph Williamson by James Stonehouse in 1846, just 6 years after Williamson died.

    But I would say it was the base of a Chimney. If you look at the Pearson's of Liverpool (Edge Hill) one - it's nearly the same.

    http://www.pearsons.moonfruit.com/co...4527973377.jpg

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    Hmm... It probably wasn't a church. Looking at old maps there was no church on Brunswick Place. Saying that, the map doesn't explicitly show any chimney either.

    The building seems to have been used as a 'Cold Storage Warehouse' for nearly 100 years! As it was a cold storage warehouse it probably would need some substantial power source to maintain the temperature, i'm guessing it was a chimney.

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    Hi fortinian, you just beat me to it ;-)

    As you say, the chimney was attached to a 'Cold Storage Warehouse' and is shown on the 1908 OS map, attached to the gable wall/corner of the building. Before that, there was a Timber yard, but no chimney is shown.

    I would go with a relic of industrial architecture, rather than something that was connected to the Church.
    "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."... ... ... Mark Twain.

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    An interesting factoid from a refridgerated transport website

    In the year 1900 -

    During the year, Great Britain imported 360,000 metric tons of refrigerated meat: 220,000 t from Argentina, 95,000 t from New Zealand, and 45,000 t from Australia.

    I bet a lot of that meat came through Liverpool and needed to be stored in a cool place...

    The stuff was aso complex -

    Although the 1880s saw commercial perfection in mechanical refrigeration, it
    served almost exclusively a non-household clientele. Refrigeration equipment was
    large and smelly with ammonia, and required manual operation by skilled
    personnel. It served the cold storage, ice-making, brewing, dairy, and
    meat-packing industries. The average Joe saw benefits only indirectly.

    Some of the above you learn by eating at places in the US called "The Ice house"...

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    Great detective work! , really interesting view into past form of industry in that particular spot.

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    1964 it was owned by Thomas Borthwick & Sons, frozen meat importers, but Union Cold Stores also rings a bell in my head.
    Cheers,
    Chas (CP 100 lines, boy, "I must write protesters not PROTESTANTS")

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    Quote Originally Posted by collegepudding View Post
    Great detective work! , really interesting view into past form of industry in that particular spot.
    Yes... with the hotter temps in the US, ice and keeping food from spoiling was a bigger deal in the cities.

    My wife was quite amazed on her first trip to Liverpool in the late 70's that not everyone had a fridge.The cool pantry on the shaded side of the house and regular trip to the stores around the corner was all that was neded. Supermarkets and working spouses changed all of that pretty quickly.

    Like you, I enjoy that part of the practical history, early technology and how things were developed.

    That's a lot of meat flowing into the country in 1900...

    By comparison, beef imports to the UK seem to be around 235,000 tonnes in 2011, but you need to add pig and sheep meat...

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    Chas (CP 100 lines, boy, "I must write protesters not PROTESTANTS")[/QUOTE]


    Ha ! Chas. you sound every bit like the dreaded V.P.

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    Hi CP,
    Good to hear from you. I haven't been on Yo for a while, I'm gradually easing myself back into the swing of things.
    Vivat Haec Sodolitas, Decus Esmedumae.
    Regard,
    Chas

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    Quote Originally Posted by collegepudding View Post
    Great detective work! , really interesting view into past form of industry in that particular spot.
    In the hot Central Valley of California, ice was a big deal - amusing story here -

    http://www.bakersfieldmagazine.net/a...h/158-ice-wars

    This is now one of the Ice House resturants I mentioned.

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    I have read the " Recollections of Old Liverpool," and found it fascinating, in fact didn't stop til the end.
    Very informative.

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    Recollections is very good - but don't take it all for granted. Like any historical document it needs to be looked at in context and not in the same way as a modern history book.

    Its author, James Stonehouse never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

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    Thanks all,for the input! I suppose a chimney, would be the logical assumption to make,of the structure,and not a church.!! It's just that the area has gone through so many changes!

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    It's definitely a chimney for the building on the left,but I think it's been truncated at some point and was a lot taller in the past. The architecture of both buildings is functional industrial,not religious.

    Dave.

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