Lest we forget

[Libertarian]

Archbishop of Westminster in Liverpool for Remembrance Sunday

The head of the Catholic church in England and Wales is to lay a wreath at St George's Plateau during the Annual Service of Remembrance and Dedication in Liverpool.

The Archbishop of Westminster, His Eminence Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, will join fellow church leaders including civic dignitaries and war veterans for a special service at 11am on Sunday (November 10th 2002) in front of St George's Hall.

Before the service starts, members of the Royal British Legion and veterans will march from Leece Street to St George's Plateau, arriving at the Cenotaph at 10:30am. Members of the Royal British Legion wanting to take part are asked to assemble outside the Rodney Street branch of the organisation at 10am.

The ecumenical service itself will be conducted by the Bishop of Liverpool - the Right Reverend James Jones, together with Archbishop Patrick Kelly, the Reverend Graham Cook and the Rabbi Dr Malcolm Malits.

During the event, a piper will play the Last Post as the wreaths are laid. A gun will then be fired in St John's Gardens before Liverpool's singer in residence, Rachael Russell, leads the National Anthem.

The Lord Mayor of Liverpool, Jack Spriggs, said: "I know every community in the city will want to pause and remember the great contribution of the servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice.

"It was their bravery which ensured that we now live in the world we do today. Life would be very different if they hadn't fought so bravely for their country and it is vital we never underestimate or forget the very great service these people gave."

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Following the Remembrance, members of the public will be able to lay their own wreaths.

A short service will also take place in St John's Gardens on Friday 8th November at 12 midday, during which the Lord Mayor will lay the first of a number of Remembrance crosses on behalf of the people of Liverpool. He will be followed by other civic and military dignitaries. There will also be an opportunity for members of the public to plant crosses.

[ChrisGeorge]

Thanks, Libertarian!

Chris

[Gnomie]

Nice post Libertarian

We should never forget what was sacrificed.

We would not be posting on this forum if it was not for the brave men and woman who we should remember with pride.

If you have never attended the memorial service at St Georges Hall, then try too, it is very moving.

[Waterways]

Nice post Libertarian

We should never forget what was sacrificed.

We would not be posting on this forum if it was not for the brave men and woman who we should remember with pride.

If you have never attended the memorial service at St Georges Hall, then try too, it is very moving.

My sister did some research on my uncle, a merchant seaman, who was killed when torpedoed by a German U-Boat 500 miles off Cape Race. As he was on a Belgian ship, we never knew that his name is on the Tower Hill memorial in London - for the seamen who have no grave.

In percentage terms more merchant seamen were killed in WW2 than any military service.

[Libertarian]

A lot of Liverpudlians will have lost ancestors in the wars even if the young people of today don't know about them. I can't think of anyone in the first world war but I have heard stories of my grans father who died weeks after coming home from a Japanese concentration camp after WW2, or her brother who went down on the Laconia. Is it too much to ask today's ME generation (myself included) to spare a thought just for one day for lads just like themselves, of the same age, same hopes and fears whose lives were lost in wars in the past?

[Gnomie]

We have always remembered my grandfather who was killed in ww2 and my 2 great grandfathers who died in ww1, as well as all the other brave people.

If you have not seen my site, then you can read about them here

http://www.freewebs.com/bernardhoganmaltaitalyww2/


Libertarian why not try to find him? a simple search on the CWGC my show him, here is the link

http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14


There is a book on the Laconia, written by a survivor
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.21240


A picture and some info on the Laconia http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3357.html

[john]

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

With the advert of World War 1, the three Beddows brothers, John, Henry and Bertram signed up and went to war.

Bertram Beddows enlisted in Liverpool, with 3 Battalion (Bn) Kings Liverpool Regiment (now Kings Own Liverpool Regiment) in the first week of July 1911 aged 15 years old. His previous employment was as a Coal Miner at West Cannock Colliery at Hedensford. He eventually was posted to the 1 Bn KLR on the 16th March 1915, he was part of 19th re-enforcement draft and joined them in the field at Bethune on 20 March, after being wounded on 16th May 1915 he was returned to England, he was then transferred from the Kings to the 3 Bn Cheshires Regiment, then was returned to France 18th December 1915, he was then posted to "B"Coy, 15th Bn, Cheshire Regiment 21st Janurary 1917.

The records tell that on 22nd October 1917, 16 Cheshire attacked north of Poelcapelle. It was a successful operation and, in the evening, they were relieved by 15 Cheshire from their positions at 'Colombo House'. 15 Cheshire then held the position for a couple of days. The regimental history records that during its time in the line the Battalion had to fight off several counter attacks and were harassed by low flying aircraft. They held on to their line and repulsed all attempts to drive them back. During the tour of duty 22 men were killed including Bertram and 75 wounded.

In Memory of

Private BERTRAM BEDDOWS 33523, "B" Coy. 15th Ban. Cheshire Regiment
who died age 21 on 24 October 1917
Son of Mr. and Mrs. William Beddows, of 28, Dale View. Garston, Liverpool.
Remembered with honour
TYNE COT MEMORIAL

Bertram Beddows, Private, 33523, "B" Company. 15th Battalion. Cheshire Regiment, 24th October 1917. Age 21. Son of Mr. and Mrs. William Beddows, of 28, Dale View. Garston, Liverpool. Tyne Cot Memorial, Zonnebeke, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium, Panel 61 to 63

Born Ironbridge, Shrops. Son of William and Martha Beddows of 6 Livingstone St off Hinchley Rd Leicester and later of 49 Bolton Rd, Leicester - as of March 1920 they were living at 28 Dale View, Garston Liverpool. As of March 1920 his siblings were William Beddows aged 31 of 6 Livingstone S, Leicester, J Beddows aged 22 who was in India, and Henry Beddows aged 20 of 6 Hanover Place, Liverpool, Ellen Beddows aged 39 of Birmingham, Lizzie Beddows aged 35 of Liverpool, Alice Beddows aged 31 of Liverpool, Ethel Beddows aged 24 of Birmingham and Emma Beddows aged 26 of Staffs.

Enlisted Liverpool 14/7/11. Age at enlistment 17 years 4 months, occupation coal miner (he previously work for the West Cannock Colliery at Hedensford) , height 5' 3", weight 107 lbs, eyes brown, hair brown, religion CofE. Mobilised 8/8/14 and posted to 1 KLR 16/3/15 - he was previously in 3 (SR) Battalion KLR. It seems he was illiterate (unable to both read and write). To France 17/3/15 from Southampton and joined Battalion in the field 20/3/15. Admitted 2 Stationary Hospital (Boulogne) 16/5/15 (gsw arm and hand). Evacuated to England on the HS Salta 18/5/15. Awarded 14 days Field Punishment No 2 and forfeits 14 days pay for being absent without leave from 5/12/15 to 14/12/15. Transferred to 3 Cheshire Regt 17/11/15. To France 18/12/15 and attd 19 Infantry Base Depot. Posted to 9 Cheshire Regt in the field 30/12/15. Admitted 59 Field Ambulance 29/2/16 (influenza). Rejoined Battalion 5/3/16. Admitted 45 Casualty Clearing Station 8/7/16 (gsw hand received 7/7/16 -his ring finger l hand was almost severed - 3rd finger was amputated 20/7/16). Evacuated to England on the HS Jan Breydel 10/7/16 - he was under hospital treatment 11/7/16 to 19/10/16. Forfeits 10 days pay for being AWOL? 28/10/16 to 6/11/16. Joined 3 Cheshire Regt. To France 17/1/17 and joined 4 Infantry Base Depot 19/1/17. Posted to 15 Cheshire Regt 21/1/17 and joined them in the Field the following day. Awarded 7 days Field Punishment No 2 for irregular conduct 17/7/17. Admitted 107 Field Ambulance 19/8/17 (gsw l knee and r arm). Rejoined Battalion 28/8/17. Killed in action 24/10/17. (Soldiers Papers PRO - WO363/B1397 frame 544)

Joined 1 KLR 20/3/15 at Bethune in 19th Reinforcement Draft.

(1KLR Bn Diary)
Henry John Beddows signed up as John Henry Beddows; he enlisted at Hannaford Residence, Cannock.

The 7th South Staffs were part of 11th Div; The 11th Div had arrived from Egypt after the beginning of the Somme offensive and had no part in the early battles. It took over the Thiepval-Ovillers sector on 4th Sept 1916 and the 7th South Staffs were shelled on the 6th Sept during their work on the trenches. The trench diaries of the day record,

"9th Sept 1916....misty morning and therefore quiet. Again shelling became heavy towards the afternoon.

Causalities: -killed

17215 Pte Beddows J.H."



By the 12th Sept, they had sustained 30 casualties, including 2 experienced company commanders and on 14th Sept, the 7th South Staffs had taken such punishment that they were withdrawn and did not see action again until 26 Sept.

In Memory of

Private JOHN HENRY BEDDOWS 17215, 7th Bn., South Staffordshire Regiment
who died on 09 September 1916
Son of Mr. and Mrs. William Beddows, of 28, Dale View, Garston, Liverpool.
Remembered with honour
OVILLERS MILITARY CEMETERY

[lindylou]

http://homepages.tesco.net/~derek.be...membrance.html

[chippie]

I,d like to remember old relatives who I only found out about this year doing my family tree, who died in the war

[Libertarian]

We have always remembered my grandfather who was killed in ww2 and my 2 great grandfathers who died in ww1, as well as all the other brave people.

If you have not seen my site, then you can read about them here

http://www.freewebs.com/bernardhoganmaltaitalyww2/


Libertarian why not try to find him? a simple search on the CWGC my show him, here is the link

http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14


There is a book on the Laconia, written by a survivor
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.21240


A picture and some info on the Laconia http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3357.html

No luck finding my relatives i'm afraid, but I would like to congratulate you on your website which can only be described as excellent and first class, it really interested me. I am from Scotland Road and have relatives with the name of Hogan. some of whom now live in Kent and I have only just got back in touch with.