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    Quote Originally Posted by az_gila View Post
    They follow the world-wide trend of forcing the population into denser housing and to be near "transportation hubs"
    Liverpool foolishly does the opposite. Merseyrail is comprehensive and can be far more comprehensive using the mothballed tunnels and trackbeds. The potential is enormous. The city was laid for for around 2.5 million and the redundant rail lines run right where people live - or could live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    All I know is, at a residential level, every bod with more money than sense (it seems) that appears on Grand designs with some wacky idea that looks to me like it'll fail at the first downpour does so every time.
    To be honest, I don't follow Grand Designs but what I have seen of it is it's all a bit too easy. But the one time I watched it the guy did get into trouble with his roof (condensation I think it was) because he thought he knew better than the architect so...


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    Quote Originally Posted by az_gila View Post
    Same goes for the city/urban planners or whatever they call themselves now.

    They follow the world-wide trend of forcing the population into denser housing and to be near "transportation hubs" - but if you ever meet one, ask them where they live.
    I think this is a bit different from being forced to live in a house foisted on you by a 'selfish architect' (see below).

    Compact cities are a good idea for the planet and I would live in the centre of a city (in a 'vibrant, diverse and walkable' environment) every time

    It is about choice (moral and financial). Some people have more choice than others but a city that offers as much variety (ie., choice, to suit different moral stand-points and financial circumstances) as possible will be a winner...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    ...You're right in that the architects would never live in these, just try to make selfish personal statements and let some poor other buggers be the guinea pigs.
    ...I would also have lived in a lot of the buildings that have since become derelict. Including the Radcliffe Estate (before it got trashed).

    In fact, there's a bit of a tendency with architects to live in otherwise 'unsatisfactory' designs - from the Trellick Tower to the Barbican Centre which is now very des res (originally 60s council flats - and it's a bit more than a hundred yards to the parking there).

    Personally, I have never designed anything that I wouldn’t live or work in and I don’t know any architects that have.

    But for sure if someone asked me to design a residential scheme at (say) 100 per sq ft, I’d do it (and do a good job for the money) but at the same time if I could afford to live in a house that cost 105 per sq ft, I’d do that too. I imagine anyone would do the same.

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    I suppose that's the problem really! If you are building to a competitive,agreed cost per unit,it opens up a whole ballgame, of potential failure of quality! Surely though,that's a tendering/political problem,as opposed to an architectural one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter McGurk View Post

    I think this is a bit different from being forced to live in a house foisted on you by a 'selfish architect' (see below).

    Compact cities are a good idea for the planet and I would live in the centre of a city (in a 'vibrant, diverse and walkable' environment) every time

    It is about choice (moral and financial). Some people have more choice than others but a city that offers as much variety (ie., choice, to suit different moral stand-points and financial circumstances) as possible will be a winner...

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    Yes... but my point is that the 'planners" did not live in the same environment they were planning for everyone else.

    After moving to Arizona and living on 7 acres surrounded by desert and wildlife I now get somewhat clustraphobic in cities...

    I'm not sure if I agree with the morals you are talking about (being green and paying carbon taxes, I presume), and financially the house and lot was less than we sold our little 1940 Los Angeles shack for.

    But I do agree with having choices - which the demographic (and political) trends are somewhat removing in the rural vs. urban debate, and is actually similar in the US and the UK. Just look at a political party representation map in either country and the urban/rural divide is clearly shown.

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    If we accept that poorly designed (council, slumlord) properties are a thing of the past (big ask) and that the mistakes of the 60s - 90s are being rectified (however slowly and don't let's even touch on the New Heartlands scheme that continues to cause problems in areas where the houses have been emptied but nothing is being done and some of them are now finding a new use as crack-dens, squats and impromptu knocking shops). Irresponsible landlords are the problem! Social landlords (housing associations, council) are slow to respond to anything that is going wrong: whether it's a tenant having a psychotic breakdown or someone who plays music at high volume all through the night and then throws a strop when challenged. Private landlords can be even worse still (there are some good ones), especially when they place problem tenants into a neighbourhood without any concern for the consequences, fill a large house with students and let them get on with it, fail to maintain their property so that it drags down the surrounding area or in the case of potentially high value properties in L8 & L17 deliberately let the property fall into disrepair so that the tenants (on low rents) are forced to move out facilitating a rapid conversion to 'luxury apartments'!

    The common factor in all this? An absence of civic responsibility. The solution? Legally force landlords to maintain their properties to a high standard and have letting agreements with tenants that are enforced. Of course, there will always be tenants who just want everything their own way and will never comply. Not forgetting anti-social property owners of the dog barking in the garden/yard all day, centre for local drug dealing/fencing variety etc. These problem citizens should be relocated to that disused depot outside Kirkby (just over the border in West Lancs), or an equivalent somewhere else, and kept there until they can demonstrate that they can behave like socialised human beings. People in struggling communities have a right to be protected from people who couldn't care less if the community they are living in is run into the ground.

    Then maybe people could chill out in their own neighbourhoods and more life might find its way into local High Streets as the sense of being under seize lifted. Of course, there would still be the problems associated with lack of skills / work opportunities but not constantly running into a scally with a pitbull or out-of-control kids/adults who don't give a flying f**k for anyone would make life so much sweeter.

    Yes, I am being a bit of a fascist but baby Jesus meek and mild just doesn't cut it.

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