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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter McGurk View Post
    Some of the observed phenomena may well be headline catching but headline catching is what you have to do to get a message over. A number of Science (Non-)Fictionists (Arthur C Clarke, Asimov) have put the basis of the science forward for many years prior to the 1970s in rather more scientific terms than the genre suggests. They've been followed by more pointed commentators such as James Lovelock and others. And for just as many years they have been dismissed as Science Fantasists or Loony Lefties with an axe to grind against capitalist society. (If that's not vested and self-interest and bias, I don't know what is).
    James Lovelock discovered the atmosphere of Mars for NASA and then looked at the Earth forming the Gaia theory. The earth is all one system that makes it unique. The oceasn, land and and air all interact and create a self controlling system. That is severely being damaged.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

    Lovelock rightly says there is nothing wrong with nuclear. Radiation is a part of our makeup. He says the earth is a full system where the sea, atmosphere and land all combines to form a self controlling atmosphere which makes the earth different to all other planets. It is being destroyed by fossil fuel burning.

    He points out Chernobyl has an off limits area to humans, but animals are flurishing in the radioactive area and flora and fauna is booming. Radiation helps growth with some plants twice to three as big as before. He said there are far more animals - OK they may live 10% less because of higher than normal radiation levels but there are far, far more of them. Because of this he advocates using the rainforests as a place to store spent nuclear fuel. Humans are away and the forests boom reinstating the earth's lungs and wildlife as well. Two birds killed with one stone.

    Lovelock points out that air travel is safe because of international regulations and inspection of plane construction, maintenance and procedures. That can be done with nuclear power stations. Chernobyl failed because of human error and other aspects were not that bright inthe design. International regulations would prevent this from occuring.

    The newer Japanese nuclear plant in the eathquake, has two or three outer shells - an explosion was contained. We know more now since the Windscale and Chernobyl disasters. All nuclear power stations should be under an international ruling and international inspectors to ensure procedures and construction and maintenance is up to standards - like bridges are periodically surveyed. The likes of the Japanese plant would never have been built on the coast in a tidal-wave zone.

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    Peter. People are interested in living in a fantastic Georgian property overlooking the city from on high IF the owner does it up and rents them which he should be made to do or forfeit the property or start charging him full council tax on it. It should not be left a blight on the landscape. It's an easy way out for landlords to do nothing. Do you think the company renovating St Andrews church are doing it without planning, speculating, feasibility studies into the market they're going into etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Peter. People are interested in living in a fantastic Georgian property overlooking the city from on high IF the owner does it up and rents them which he should be made to do or forfeit the property or start charging him full council tax on it. It should not be left a blight on the landscape. It's an easy way out for landlords to do nothing. Do you think the company renovating St Andrews church are doing it without planning, speculating, feasibility studies into the market they're going into etc?
    Of course they are interested but at what price? If it costs more to do up than people can pay to live in it, what then? Should he forfeit the property because it's a millstone round his neck (and would be a millstone around anyone else's neck)? Should he pay in full for services he's not using?

    Money doesn't fall from the sky nor can you assume just because someone owns a property they've got bags of money to throw away on it.

    Put yourself in his shoes. You own a property that's not viable and council send you a demand to spend more than you've got or can afford on it or they'll take it off you. You say no and they still want a bill for police, road lighting, drainage and environmental services that you're not using. This is grossly unfair.

    Worse yet if you paid for it and have to carry on with the mortgage without getting any money in.

    And the long term result would be that no-one would buy a property unless they had a contract in blood from the end-user to occupy it for the rent and time needed or the price required, to cover the costs in full and without risk and with clauses in a contract to cover increases in interest rates and other unforeseen costs such as increases in council tax.

    Without all that anyone could lose everything they put into it. It is unworkable and would produce exactly the reverse of that intended - acres of redundant property that no-one would dare buy.

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    As far as I know the Scottish Church is owned by JMU who thus far have not been able to make a move on it (although they haven't had it that long). I don't what the problem might have been (the cemetery and that famous grave perhaps?).

    For sure they have been working on the problem and have clearly found a viable use for the building or even a buyer to take it off their hands - all power to their elbow. That said it is in Rodney Street - an entirely different kettle of fish to Everton.

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    Anyone into property development and knowing what can be charged for accommodation know it never costs more to do up property that is habitable. The problem now with that property is that it has become too big a job and whose fault is that?

    Matchboxes have been built from scratch on Daulby street, i've been in them. Big houses all over the city have been converted into multi use/co-habitation - very few larger houses are now single occupancy. Not only is it not fair that the council cannot reap in council tax on properties left like this but it is unfair on owners, let say of the Georgian property just a little along the road from this on the opposite side which manages quite well in the same area.
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    Peter, I could disagree with just about every paragraph you wrote, but this is going so far off topic I'll stop with just a few observations.

    The "consensus" or "proven science" is not as proven as you might guess from newspaper reports. And these are qualified scientists, not plumbers.

    http://www.petitionproject.org/

    We need not swallow 'expert' opinion wholesale but we could all do with being a bit more humble.

    An e-mail quote from one of the "expert scientists" you mention -

    Tim Osborne #2347
    Also, we set all post-1960 values to missing in the MXD
    data set (due to decline), and the method will infill these, estimating them from the real temperatures – another way of “correcting” for the decline, though may be not defensible!


    And the social comment is interesting...

    Because and like your planners in Tucson, I know that besides everything else, bringing people closer together (less travel) in more ‘passively’ engineered environments has positive benefits in any event, not only to lifestyle, social interaction, well-being and reduction of stress but also to the reduction of carbon emissions and other industrial pollutants in the atmosphere (and there is a moral imperative for that).

    I think crime statistics of inner cites and denser neighbourhoods say that stress and bad interaction also come into play. Your assumption of positive is not shared by many. Have you tried living on many acres in a rural setting surrounded by mountains, wildlife and seeing whether your stress level goes up or down?...

    I am for the reduction of pollutants, but CO2 is natural and has been in the atmosphere for ever.


    A new thread is needed if this continues...

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