FOOTBALL QUARTER

[az_gila]

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The docks are out except for small spaces. The idea is to get these densely populated and vibrant.

Why is it so fixed on high density?

Surely some open space along the river to the North - like that of the Prom in the South end of the city - would be nice and a break from buildings, buildings, buildings....

[stan]

There are also green spaces about not that far off. It is hardly a nice park either -no disrespect to its patrons
The docks are out except for small spaces. The idea is to get these densely populated and vibrant.

Goes to show you don't know the park at all. There's no excuse for building on green spaces, no matter what unbalanced obsessive football fans want. If you want your "rapid transit system, we should fill in the canals and use it to build it on. how about that?

[Peter McGurk]

Goes to show you don't know the park at all. There's no excuse for building on green spaces, no matter what unbalanced obsessive football fans want. If you want your "rapid transit system, we should fill in the canals and use it to build it on. how about that?

But seriously, would it not be better to use the park for what it was always meant for, redevelop the football grounds and use the railway too?

http://petermcgurk.blogspot.com/2011...l-quarter.html

[Waterways]

But seriously, would it not be better to use the park for what it was always meant for, redevelop the football grounds and use the railway too?

http://petermcgurk.blogspot.com/2011...l-quarter.html

Rebuilding on the existing sites is suicide. Say bye, bye to the top club status for both clubs for ever. Do not look at the matter through the burden of nostalgia. It is a hard-nosed business decision.

[Peter McGurk]

Oh no it isn't, oh yes it is... it is easy to dismiss if you need not say why. If rebuilding on the existing sites is suicide perhaps you could explain why?

Perhaps you could explain why redevelopment is the club's preferred option and perhaps you could explain how a new stadium, which doesn't make additional money for the club in anything like even the medium term is better for the club. I think you will know from all the other forum discussions on the issue and what from the club has said, that these are the fundamental cold-hearted considerations.

And brand is also important. The LFC brand (and the Anfield brand which is an integral part of it) has developed over 120 years. It is very valuable as a business asset. Moving to a new stadium (which would put the club at a distance from its core values and its own brand) would be a severe loss to the club which they would feel in their back pocket.

So there is a soft edge to a decision but scratch it just a little and you will find cold hard steel underneath.

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Be that as it may, it is becoming clear that both options for the stadium are extraordinarily difficult (for both clubs). That very long debate may be becoming moot. Leave it. It's not for here.

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Whether the stadia have run out of steam or not, that shouldn't stop the community moving on with the Football Quarter (title of thread) for the wider benefit of the city.

[Waterways]

Oh no it isn't, oh yes it is... it is easy to dismiss if you need not say why. If rebuilding on the existing sites is suicide perhaps you could explain why?

Income is dramatically less than in a 75,000 state-of-the-art stadium with top class rapid-transit rail access. Look at this:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity...-Football.html

Rapid-Transit Rail Key to Arsenal FC Success

Arsenal FC's Emirates stadium has six surrounding rapid-transit railway stations. The whole 60,000 can be shifted quite quickly by using rapid-transit rail. The key point to the success of the stadium, which since 2006 has been at over 97% full, is the ease of access served by the rapid-transit rail stations. The six stations immediately surrounding the Emirates stadium provide a total of 27 platforms, with 29 on weekdays.

The success of Arsenal FC, a club the size of Everton FC when at their old Highbury ground with a ground very similar to Everton's Goodison Park and similar sized fanbase focuses the mind to the key of a successful new stadium.

The Emirates stadium's site was selected because of the adjacent rail lines. £7.6 million had been set aside by the planning permission for upgrading adjacent Drayton Park and Holloway Road rapid-transit rail stations. However, Transport for London decided not to upgrade either station, in favour of improvement works at the interchanges at the nearby Highbury & Islington and Finsbury Park stations, both of which are served by London Underground lines and First Capital Connect services.

The stadium generates high revenues due to the superior facilities offered at the stadium of: corporate facilities, refreshments, cafes, bars, etc. The highly convenient, comfortable rapid-transit rail access attracts fans and ensures high attendances at the stadium. The top class stadium facilities and ease of transport access combine to produce high stadium revenues.

With fans arriving mainly by rapid-transit rail, there is minimal nuisance to the surrounding residents. Many thousands of car journey's are kept off the roads of London per year.

Arsenal's Profits are Startling

The club's 60,000-seat venue already generates £3.1 million every game, making Arsenal the world game's highest earners in terms of match-day revenue and such is the success of their business model the loan for the stadium will be paid off in December 2010, four and half years after the stadium opened in August 2006.

Match day revenue was increased to £100.1 million in 2009, with the Group turnover increasing to £313.3 million.

Arsenal The club is considering extending the stadium to 70,000 seats. The key to the stadium success, the existing rapid-transit rail infrastructure, can cope.


Above: lines are on both sides of the stadium.

But brand is also important. The LFC brand (and the Anfield brand which is an integral part of it) has developed over 120 years.

That brand would increase when in a world-class, high revenue stadium. LFC cannot compete with Man U and Arsenal they just do not generate enough money. It has been 21 years since the last title and probably another 21 if they stay at a tarted up Anfield. It is a matter time before we see EFC relegated -the magic manager can't stay for ever (off to Man U when ready)

EFC & LFC need to get into new high volume stadia ASAP - with high throughput Merseyrail access.

[gregs dad]

I don`t see any future in investing money in football it appears only Arsenal don`t owe the banks.

[Peter McGurk]

I don`t see any future in investing money in football it appears only Arsenal don`t owe the banks.

But it might be an idea to invest in the community and the area on the back of football. The clubs can look after themselves.

[Waterways]

I don`t see any future in investing money in football it appears only Arsenal don`t owe the banks.

Because Arsenal did it right when moving stadium. EFC & LVT and Council can get together and do it right.

  

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