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    Apart from the wall facing Great Howard Street, the other 3 walls of the goods station (on the 1906 OS map) are shown as dotted lines.
    I don't know what dotted lines indicate, but guess that, are far as stations were concerned there were no walls.
    (The rear of Exchange where the trains entered is a dotted line).
    The site of GHS is shaded, which (I think) indicates a roof.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    Apart from the wall facing Great Howard Street, the other 3 walls of the goods station (on the 1906 OS map) are shown as dotted lines.
    I don't know what dotted lines indicate, but guess that, are far as stations were concerned there were no walls.
    (The rear of Exchange where the trains entered is a dotted line).
    The site of GHS is shaded, which (I think) indicates a roof.
    "Dotted lines if iam correct show tunnels on old railway maps".

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_142 View Post
    "Dotted lines if iam correct show tunnels on old railway maps".
    Perhaps, but I was referring to the Ordnance Survey maps where they indicate open access to a roofed area.

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    The Byrom Street cutting rubbish.
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    The cuttings either side of Hodson Street. Pic by Freddy O'Connor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinmanc View Post
    Can I just clear up the fact that there have NEVER been stations at either Fontenoy or Hodson streets.

    I have checked every source I can think of & there is no evidence to show that these stations ever existed.

    Prior to redevelopment of this area, there may indeed have been cuttings (& at one time possibly even the intention of opening up this/these station/s, which never came to fruition), exposed in both of these streets. However, the only historic station of a similar nature is James St, which is on a completely different line altogether.

    The only stations ever opened & connected by this tunnel were Liverpool Riverside & Edge Hill.
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    I am new to the forum so forgive me if this has been covered elsewhere.

    I have seen statements made that people are 100% certain that these stations existed on this line. What is the proof?

    I have never seen anything on maps, official railway company plans, board of trade inspection returns, railway company committee minutes etc so am intrigued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewturner View Post
    Hi

    I am new to the forum so forgive me if this has been covered elsewhere.

    I have seen statements made that people are 100% certain that these stations existed on this line. What is the proof?

    I have never seen anything on maps, official railway company plans, board of trade inspection returns, railway company committee minutes etc so am intrigued.

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    The cutting is way too large for ventilation and is station sized. This naturally makes people think there was a station there. I have a hunch provision was put for one in case when the tunnel was being cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    The cutting is way too large for ventilation and is station sized. This naturally makes people think there was a station there. I have a hunch provision was put for one in case when the tunnel was being cut.
    Ah well if that's the reason I can clear this up. The cutting was wide because that was the location of the runaway catch points. The one on the line to Waterloo ran off towards the wall. The one on the line to Edge Hill ran off between the running lines hence they would be set at a wider interval.

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    backing up what Mike has said

    there was never a station there, it must be stuff of legend,

    and any opening does act like a ventilation shaft, like the ex cheshire lines tunnels between walton and kirkdale. they where designed with this smoke in mind, especially any long tunnel on a steep gradient like this.

    the tunnel is not deep enough underground to warrant an actual shaft/chimney.

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    Hello Mike. Got a message off Chris about your show, can't wait to see the Lime st model, are you getting the echo down?
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    alrite Ged, we usually do but they come down too late to make a difference.


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    I mean as some publicity before the show, not that you need it judging by last time. A 45ft model including the Gt North Western hotel and the Station etc should be well touted up beforehand.
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    do you know anyone from the Echo Ged? to get some publicity going? your coming with your model again arnt you?


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    Yes on both counts, try Peter Grant who does the 'Flashback' feature in Saturday nights echo - since it's a model of Lime street station of yesteryear
    petergrant@liverpoolecho.co.uk you can mention me (Gerard Gardens model and In a city living books)
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    cheers mate, ill do that

    Mike

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