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    Can I just clear up the fact that there have NEVER been stations at either Fontenoy or Hodson streets.

    I have checked every source I can think of & there is no evidence to show that these stations ever existed.

    Prior to redevelopment of this area, there may indeed have been cuttings (& at one time possibly even the intention of opening up this/these station/s, which never came to fruition), exposed in both of these streets. However, the only historic station of a similar nature is James St, which is on a completely different line altogether.

    The only stations ever opened & connected by this tunnel were Liverpool Riverside & Edge Hill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinmanc View Post
    Can I just clear up the fact that there have NEVER been stations at either Fontenoy or Hodson streets.

    I have checked every source I can think of & there is no evidence to show that these stations ever existed.

    Prior to redevelopment of this area, there may indeed have been cuttings (& at one time possibly even the intention of opening up this/these station/s, which never came to fruition), exposed in both of these streets. However, the only historic station of a similar nature is James St, which is on a completely different line altogether.

    The only stations ever opened & connected by this tunnel were Liverpool Riverside & Edge Hill.
    It could be argued with justification, that Gt Howard St station, which was above the end of the tunnel, was served by the tunnel too. There was stairs down from the Gt Howard St station, which was in the open air at a higher level than the tunnel below, down to the Waterloo Goods depot which was at the end of the tunnel. So, the Waterloo Goods terminal was passenger and goods at one time - the way I understand it.

    When the Waterloo Goods Station was de-commissioned, the line was extended to the new Riverside station at the Pier Head, and the link to Gt Howard St station no more.

    It was mentioned that Hodson Street was a stop for workers. If so, then steps must have been there.

    St James' Station at Parliament St is similar to Hodson St as it is a cutting - semi underground station, which has conceptual plans for re-opening.
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    As I mentioned earlier, me and a few mates walked through this tunnel and though strewn with debris, prams, mattresses etc, the walls looked sheer to us and we could see the landings of Fonney Oy up above but no way out. I believe Gt Howard street station was used prior to the building of Exchange Station which was originally called Tithebarn Street Station for a few years until its name change.
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    As I mentioned earlier, me and a few mates walked through this tunnel and though strewn with debris, prams, mattresses etc, the walls looked sheer to us and we could see the landings of Fonney Oy up above but no way out. I believe Gt Howard street station was used prior to the building of Exchange Station which was originally called Tithebarn Street Station for a few years until its name change.
    Did Gt Howard St station continue operating after Exchange Station opened up in the centre? As I understand it Waterloo Goods depot had a passenger link. Was this so? If so, the depot was goods and passengers. When did the passenger link at the end of the tunnel stop? When the goods depot was demolished in the 1800s?
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    I don't know if Gt Howard street station was a passenger railway as well as goods but I don't think it was stopped being used as a goods yard after the opening of Exchange as i'm sure i've seen it in books still operating after Exchange opened, though I would expect that if Gt Howard street did take passengers then this service would have been transfered to Exchange once opened. I met a couple of lads at last years model railway exhibition who had a cracking model of the Crown st sidings, complete with Myrtle Gardens above and who are working on a large scale model of Lime st including the Bullring and the Great North Western Hotel for next years exhibition, they will probably know so i'll email them. One of the lads, Mike Delamar was on here a while back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I don't know if Gt Howard street station was a passenger railway as well as goods but I don't think it was stopped being used as a goods yard after the opening of Exchange as i'm sure i've seen it in books still operating after Exchange opened, though I would expect that if Gt Howard street did take passengers then this service would have been transfered to Exchange once opened. I met a couple of lads at last years model railway exhibition who had a cracking model of the Crown st sidings, complete with Myrtle Gardens above and who are working on a large scale model of Lime st including the Bullring and the Great North Western Hotel for next years exhibition, they will probably know so i'll email them. One of the lads, Mike Delamar was on here a while back.
    Thanks Ged. All that is a haze as the Waterloo Goods depot was demolished in the 1800s I was under the impression Gt Howard St was above on the viaduct and was passenger only with steps access to the Waterloo Good Depot below, which meant that the Goods depot was goods and passenger at one time.

    I have seen no artists impressions, or photos of the Waterloo Goods Depot, which was historical in itself. I was under the impression it was all under a roof.

    I recall its sister at Park Lane, at the end of the Wapping Tunnel, which was in operation until around 1971/72.

    The most impressive rail Goods Depot was the Cheshire Lines goods Terminal at Sefton St at Brunswick Dock. A very large, well made, good looking building, that was demolished around 1976.

    Out of these goods depots, at the front, MDHB trains would cross the Dock Rd and run under the Overhead railway taking cargos to and from the various docks. Small three wheel unit Scamell articulator trucks would be buzzing around everywhere in and out of the docks and goods yards.
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