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    Default help required for a friend in New zealand

    Please can anyone locate 33 Barter St liverpool , Pitt St Ward 8.

    I can't find a Barter St listed in the A/Z. i'ts apparently near or between Hurst St & Orford St .

    It would be a bonus if anyone can tell me who lived there in any of the directories available . & when it was demolished .


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    Barter Street was off South Road, next to Miles Street, but both the 1936 and 1968 directories list only 29 houses (and the old maps confirm that was all it ever had).
    When it was first built it was called Exchange Street, but the name was changed in the 1860s because there was an Exchange Street in Liverpool.

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    Hi Karen
    I have a street atlas from early 70's & Barter St is between Clevedon Street & South Street
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    Sorry, I didn't say, but Barter Street has gone now, with new property (1980s?), and a landscaped area, on the site.
    Last edited by PhilipG; 08-04-2007 at 06:59 PM.

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    Thanks Mandy , thanks Philip ,
    Do you know if this Barter st /possibly Barter La , was situated near Orford St & Dukes pl, Pitt st ward 8 ?

    Thanks for your help .
    Love Karen

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    Huia ( from New Zealand ) Has just e mailed me to say on the 1851 census Barter st/la was situated by Dukes pl, Garden st, Orford st ,
    She is happy to do look ups on the New Zealand bmd or their electoral list.if you require any .

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    I don't know about 1851, but by 1936 there was only one Barter Street listed in the street directory.
    I must admit I still don't know what period you were interested in.
    (In future, I must ask before doing all this checking!).

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    Hiya Philip ,
    I'm a little bit confused by the info she has given us , in my A/Z There's an Orford st listed .it's supposedly around the Hanover st area . but i can't see it . , I've never heard of an Orford st around Miles St though , but I'm like the blind leading the blind , she's looking at 1851/61 period.

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    Hi Karen
    Dukes Pl is close to the Dukes dock & Orford St is close to Wapping I can't find any Garden Street close to them on my maps but I don't have one from around 1851

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    Mandy do you know if there was a Barter st/la close by .

    Mandy , my husband said he'll buy me the discs you suggested , but he's making me wait till my birthday in Oct .

    Love Karen

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    Hiya Karen
    the only Barter Street I can see is the one by South St

    have a look on these Street indexes, I use them when I'm trying to read census addresses
    http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.u...treetindex.htm
    http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.u...treetindex.htm

    I'll have to buy a new disc for 1938 as mine cracked
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    Mandy ,
    Thanks for all your help,
    Hey feel free to ask for any look ups or if it'll copy i'll send you one . i'm trying to get around him to order them now ,especially as there on offer .


    love Karen xx

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    I've found Barter Street, but it was swept away in the 1850s by which time the Wapping Dock and the Wapping Basin were built close by, and Wapping itself was re-routed. Wapping Warehouse (completed 1856) is probably on the exact site of Barter Street.

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    Hiya Philip .
    Your a star , Thanks for taking the time to search for us .

    Philip , was it you who took some lovely photo's of Park Rd in the snow ?
    I used to work in Park Chemist , sadly that's also gone now . but they were lovely photo's , there was one of Dr Canters , & Lacy's roofing etc .
    THANKS AGAIN
    LOVE KAREN ,

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    Yes, I live close by.
    Here's a link to my photos:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/4443567...7594529383033/
    Last edited by PhilipG; 08-04-2007 at 09:25 PM.

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    Well Philip,
    What fantastic photo's, I've only popped back on here to let you know i love what i've looked at so far , i've been looking at the Bold St interveiws, enjoyed them all but especially Looks bag shop one as i know Phil & his Dad who own it ,

    Philip , love the Dingle tram sheds , do you remember the name of the church a few hundred yds up towards Ullet Rd /Aigburth rd . i think it's where a Dr's surgery is now ,just before the old Parkfield Garage /auctions . what church was it ? Also Do you remember the huge victorian houses on the corner of Ullet & / the Elms / Belvidere Rd . Wonder why on earth they were demolished .

    Oh found another photo i like now , Bold St in the snow , i must have a thing for photo's taken in the snow as i'm after Rodney St in the snow by Frank Green for chrimbo. Favourite so far , Park Rd again the one in the snow .

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    The church was Toxteth Congregational.
    Built 1871. Demolished 1971.

    Here's part of an 1836 map showing Barter Street.
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    Default Hurst Street.

    The streets above Hurst Street remain, but all those below were swept away, except for Duke's Place, which survives to this day.

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    Hi Philip ,

    I couldn't log on again the other night to say thankyou ,Hope you don't think i'd just disappeared ,

    Thanks for all your help
    Karen

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