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    Hi,

    I thought I,d post a picture of my painting of the classic Blu Flu cargo liner " Nestor " she got through 2 world wars and was Flag Ship of the fleet. She was reputed to have the tallest smoke stack of any ship.The painting was done for my old mate Harry Howell who served on her in the war. He was a founder member of the Blue Funnel Association and a very good marine painter in his own right (some of his work is in the town hall,I believe) but never painted his own ship!


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    Wow ! that's a beautiful painting

    Very nice

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    Excellent painting. Very talented.

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    Hello,Wilt

    Only one gripe from me and from one artist to another...The smoke from the funnel should follow on behind the ship when sailing...bit like the smoke from a trains stack it trails behind the train when in motion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgePorgie View Post
    Hello,Wilt

    Only one gripe from me and from one artist to another...The smoke from the funnel should follow on behind the ship when sailing...bit like the smoke from a trains stack it trails behind the train when in motion.

    Perspective must be one of the hardest concepts to grasp for any visual artist. Apart from the fact that the wind is entitled to be stronger and faster than the speed of the vessel the smoke could be blowing inland at an angle.
    Very clever of the artist to give us this topic to keep his work in the news.

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    Perspective must be one of the hardest concepts to grasp for any visual artist.
    Yep and this is why that smoke from a ships funnel should be behind the ship if its sailing ie it keeps it in perspective to the ship and then you would'nt get neg crit from me.

    A painting cannot show wind Oudi,unless there a gale force choppy river.

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    You certainly have the knack for capturing shipping paintings.

    http://www.oldforgegallery.co.uk/galleryM2.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgePorgie View Post
    Hello,Wilt

    Only one gripe from me and from one artist to another...The smoke from the funnel should follow on behind the ship when sailing...bit like the smoke from a trains stack it trails behind the train when in motion.

    But, but.... If the ship is doing 20 kts, and has a wind from the stern of 30 kts, then the smoke will be blown forward.

    Just like flying, smoke is all relative to the wind - not the seas surface - once it's left the funnel...

    As a kid, I remember having a hard time explaining this bit of physics to my sister.

    I think the picture is just showing the regular strong wind down the Mersey off the Irish Sea....

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    Bu, but.... If the ship is doing 20 kts, and has a wind from the stern of 30 kts, then the smoke will be blown forward.
    Oi,I'm the artist here,there are somethings you don't do in painting as it throws the painting off balance.
    Where painting smoke from a ship is concerned we should follow its normal direction course ie leaving the funnel from the back to the stern.

    Behave yerself Az.

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    When I first clapped eyes on this painting I thought the ship was heading out to the Irish sea,turns out it was the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgePorgie View Post
    Oi,I'm the artist here,there are somethings you don't do in painting as it throws the painting off balance.
    Where painting smoke from a ship is concerned we should follow its normal direction course ie leaving the funnel from the back to the stern.

    Behave yerself Az. [COLOR="Silver"]
    It's a good job that ships are relatively smokeless now...

    Think of all the time saved by photographers who would have to use PhotoShop to get the smoke to go the "right way"......

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    The wind is blowing roughly S.E. and the ship is in the Mersey and probably only doing about 7 Knots in constricted waters, therefore, depending on the wind speed the direction of the smoke relative to the ships travel could indeed be portrayed as is.

    Stick to puddings and pies ! <grn>

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    I'd just like to know why the Nestor is steaming up stream when it should have headed West after leaving South 1 Gladstone dock.

    Artistic licence ????

    Pud

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydernee View Post
    I'd just like to know why the Nestor is steaming up stream when it should have headed West after leaving South 1 Gladstone dock.

    Artistic licence ????

    Pud
    So it could pose in front of the Liver Building?.....

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    Ran out of brakes !


    Its a picture not a photo and yes the best waterfront backdrop in the world is hard to paint but hard to resist !

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    The wind is blowing roughly S.E. and the ship is in the Mersey and probably only doing about 7 Knots in constricted waters, therefore, depending on the wind speed the direction of the smoke relative to the ships travel could indeed be portrayed as is.

    Stick to puddings and pies ! <grn>
    Ah,an artist that cannot handle crit.

    Your ship at first sight looks as though its heading towards the Irish sea,but on an second overall glance we find out that its the smoke that gives this impression.

    You cannot defy the rules of painting,and if you do then the painting will fail.

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    I don't mind you doing a crit based on the quality of the painting,you can call it a load of crap if you like ,I guess I wouldn't be selling you a print anyway!. I merely pointed out that the smoke can blow contrary to the direction the ship is travelling. Trains on the other hand are often doing 50 to 80 Mph and the smoke is quite likely as you say to issue straight backwards. perhaps you'd prefer this one (its correct by your estimation).



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    Wilt,your paintings are very good,but I would have put the smoke trailing behind that way the moment you view the painting yer eye would not be drawn immediatly to the smoke.

    You as an artist should know that a distraction in a painting can cause it to confuse the viewers perception of whats going on.

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    perhaps you'd prefer this one (its correct by your estimation).
    Its not about correctiveness its about harmonizing with the rest of the painting.

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    The waves looks very good Wilt, and a good colour.

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    I tell you what GP when you do your paintings ,feel free to obey all your mores and standards and I'll paint what I like, the way I like.No one is forced to buy them and I like them just the way they are or I would have painted them differently.


    Oi,I'm the artist here,

    Do you have a website where I can see how excellent the results of your rules and regulations make your paintings ?

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    Wilt,Calm down and stop getting shirty with me.

    I'll lay off looking at your paintings in future if you can't take the heat.

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    Thanks for submitting your work ,it has great potential. regarding the I.O.M ferry, its one of the early steam turbines( King Orry,Lady of Man, etc), I believe, and would surely have been making smoke? Incidently I had many a " happy " 4 or 5 hours on those going over
    for the TT races when I lived on Merseyside.

    Here's one without smoke (like yours) that should not cause a problem .The original is in Holland.


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    . regarding the I.O.M ferry, its one of the early steam turbines( King Orry,Lady of Man, etc), I believe, and would surely have been making smoke? Incidently I had many a " happy " 4 or 5 hours on those going over
    for the TT races when I lived on Merseyside.
    Its the Manxman actually and would not have been smoking as its going astern out of Peel Harbour.

    Worked on them for four years.

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    Sorry, I got it wrong ,but you don't appear to have made any attempt to paint the name on the ship and my memory isnt good enough to separate them. I don't like painting passenger ships as a rule (all those portholes) I usually left that to my mate Harry. This one had more than enough for me and I was never really satisfied them. :-


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    Lovely paintings

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    Lovely paintings
    Thank you

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    It may just be my computer but it appears all the relevant pictures to this thread have been removed bar one. This makes the thread somewhat meaningless. Is this some kind of censorship or just shortage of bandwidth ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILT View Post
    It may just be my computer but it appears all the relevant pictures to this thread have been removed bar one. This makes the thread somewhat meaningless. Is this some kind of censorship or just shortage of bandwidth ?
    Hello Wilt

    I can see the images so it might be a problem with your browser, conceivably.

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    Nice Paintings! I like it!

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