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    It is to be south of Clarence Dock which is the filled in Trafalgar and Victoria Docks. I bet they want to excavate the existing filled in docks, and use them as car parks. That is what they wanted to do with Princes Half-Tide dock.

    If then put cars park there, they can put water back there and put the car parks inland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    It is to be south of Clarence Dock which is the filled in Trafalgar and Victoria Docks. I bet they want to excavate the existing filled in docks, and use them as car parks. That is what they wanted to do with Princes Half-Tide dock.

    If then put cars park there, they can put water back there and put the car parks inland.
    Aint gonna lose out on free land and free landfill.

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    Check out the World Heritage site about hights of buildings along the waterfront.
    At a meeting in Wellington or Christchurch NZ,World Heritage told reps from here that any more high rise on the waterfront could put our world heritage site status in danger of being removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNASHER View Post
    Check out the World Heritage site about hights of buildings along the waterfront.
    At a meeting in Wellington NZ,World Heritage told reps from here that any more high rise on the waterfront could put our world heritage site status in danger of being removed.
    UNESCO has approve the first planning draft - high rise and all. Some footy loonies are wanting and stadium there - now that may lose the WHS status.

    The world-class Brunswick Quay Towers was not near a WHS but the city turned that down, yet may approve high rises right on a WHS. Only in Liverpool!!!

    The Central Docks are to reflect the city's heritage. The heritage is maritime. I have seen nothing from Peel that reflects that.

    Look at this pic. To the left on the quays of Princes Dock is multi-floor car park - great use of our waterspaces isn't it. An IKEA shed-like arena is put on Kings Dock. That is what they have done and expect the same. Not encouraging is it. Expect the WHS status to be revoked.
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    Im fed up of these buildings, I think the waterfront looks poo with them all

    Not a-bloomin-nother NO! NO! NO! MOOR PLEASE.

    IM moving from this lego land if they keep this up, its horrible
    BE NICE......................OR ELSE

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    Yep, am with Spike on that. I've said it all along about these buildings being glass and chrome/steel. Horrible.!! The old saying, "They don't make em' like that anymore" is so true today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaZappathing View Post
    "They don't make em' like that anymore" is so true today.
    We can 'make em like that' given the chance.
    I have been in the building game for 42 years and the biggest tossers on site are architects.They 'design' for themself not for the client.It's 'what looks good in their portfolio,will it win a prize'.Not 'is this what the client wants?,will it fit in with the area?'.
    Any building on the water front should be in harmony(externally) with what is already there.
    And remember,like the '60s high rise and estates,the tossers that 'design' them don't live here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNASHER View Post
    We can 'make em like that' given the chance.
    I have been in the building game for 42 years and the biggest tossers on site are architects.They 'design' for themself not for the client.It's 'what looks good in their portfolio,will it win a prize'.Not 'is this what the client wants?,will it fit in with the area?'.
    Any building on the water front should be in harmony(externally) with what is already there.
    And remember,like the '60s high rise and estates,the tossers that 'design' them don't live here.
    Thats just a stereotypical view of architects in my experience. Architects can only build what the clients wants. It's a bit naive to think that clients are prepared to hand over millions of their hard earned money for a building they dont like or does not meet their needs.
    Times change, to build to the quality and detail level of the three grace would take an eccentric billionaire as a client.
    If we took the attitude that all new buildings have to match the existing then we would still be living in caves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoddersUK View Post
    Thats just a stereotypical view of architects in my experience. Architects can only build what the clients wants. It's a bit naive to think that clients are prepared to hand over millions of their hard earned money for a building they dont like or does not meet their needs.
    Times change, to build to the quality and detail level of the three grace would take an eccentric billionaire as a client.
    If we took the attitude that all new buildings have to match the existing then we would still be living in caves.
    They do have to work within framework, however many have a lot of slack within that and came up with rubbish.

    When the Three Graces were built there was no English Heritage etc. They built what they liked. But after these buildings, was the demise of Liverpool architecture as no building could be built higher than them. This stifled the city, when it need a free reign.

    The city needs high quality architecture - modern architecture. The Liver Buildings is American architecture. Take the towers off and it looks like anything in NY or Chicago at the time. The two others are Italianate - very different.

    The city rejected a tall 50 floor buildings was proposed for Canning Place in 1951 - ended as up as the Pan-Am building in NY. The city rejected the Brunswick Quay Tower,a world-class designed building recently. The city has been annaly-retentive, which acted against its progress, so much the city declined rapidly like no other.

    The city needs to move with the time, however keep and value what it has. The decimation of Central Docks may ensue - the UN gave it World Heritage Status.
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    Reckon they should build anyhow. What's bad to one generation is great to another. I love the steel and glass buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    . I love the steel and glass buildings.
    Noooooooooooo

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNASHER View Post
    We can 'make em like that' given the chance.
    I have been in the building game for 42 years and the biggest tossers on site are architects.They 'design' for themself not for the client.It's 'what looks good in their portfolio,will it win a prize'.Not 'is this what the client wants?,will it fit in with the area?'.
    Any building on the water front should be in harmony(externally) with what is already there.
    And remember,like the '60s high rise and estates,the tossers that 'design' them don't live here.
    Commercial clients couldn't give a toss for design. It seems to me it's the Architects who do not have the skill to master or overcome their clients' commercial considerations that create crap buildings.

    Every outstanding building that has has become loved and trusted has been derided when new and therefore new-fangled nonsense that 'didn't fit in'. The Liver buildings themselves were described as monstrous (because of the overblown proportions). Truth is most people are stupifyingly frightened of anything new.

    It's funny how remaining tower blocks from the mad, bad sixties are now highly desirable (simply with maintenance and the addition of a prestigious lobby)

    Plenty of Architects are living and working in Liverpool and those that don't, bring something new and fresh (since we pride ourselves on being an outward-looking and international global city).

    And if don't like steel and glass, it's the contractors' stranglehold on cost that has driven other 'quality' materials such as stone and bronze out of the market along with the skilled craftsmen and apprentices to go with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    Commercial clients couldn't give a toss for design. It seems to me it's the Architects who do not have the skill to master or overcome their clients' commercial considerations that create crap buildings.

    Every outstanding building that has has become loved and trusted has been derided when new and therefore new-fangled nonsense that 'didn't fit in'. The Liver buildings themselves were described as monstrous (because of the overblown proportions). Truth is most people are stupifyingly frightened of anything new.
    The world first metal framed glass curtain walled building., Oriel Chambers in Liverpool, was so derided, the architect never worked again. he did two buildings, the other 16 Cook Street - again a brilliant building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    The world first metal framed glass curtain walled building., Oriel Chambers in Liverpool, was so derided, the architect never worked again. he did two buildings, the other 16 Cook Street - again a brilliant building.

    A great building - much hated at the time; all 'steel and glass'. And see the new Unity building in the background - no doubt getting the same treatment today.

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    Sad,but true! I've always thought this,and Cook st,were interesting,but didn't find out it was the same architect,till years later!


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