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    I knew Beau Street was off Fox Street near the Friary, in fact it's still there, a very small part of it. So when I got a copy of Beau Lane in 1935 I knew it must have been nearby. I was wracking my brain thinking what the big building was at the end of the lane until I consulted an old map and lo and behold, it's only my old school, Bishop Goss. The pic is looking towards a then much narrower Cazneau Street.




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    Beau Lane has now gone but here is the nearest comparison I could get to it.




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    And here's the school in full as it is now.




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    So when I got a copy of Beau Lane in 1935
    Man,your looking swell for an old codger,Ged.

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    Jeez - only a year behind you that
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    There's an Upper Beau St features in our family tree. is that it Ged?

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    What a find....very cool
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    Stood on the flat roof of your school Ged, after asking permission from a nun,. to take some pics of Scotts bakery. I was asked by one of the directors that`s when I knew we were closing down, the exuse we were given was because of the road works, but the building still stands today ,

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    Yes Lizzie, Upper Beau St is the continuation of Beau Street which was next to the Beau Lane pictured, there was a haymarket between them according to the map I have.

    We used to be allowed up on the flat roof of the newer school Joe, just now and again, the one that looks like St Johns.

    Here's Scotts that I took today.



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    SOME MORE THEN AND NOW SHOTS.


    About 4 years ago before publishing his photographs on his own website, John McDonald kindly contacted me as someone who might be interested in the photographs he took of the Vauxhall area during his time as a fine art student in Sheffield. Needless to say I was very interested and assisted him in naming some of the places. Thankfully, with the advent of the internet, we are seeing a lot more photographs emerging that otherwise would have lay unseen and therefore unloved. All the black and white photographs were taken between 1978 and 1981 and are the copyright of John and my efforts follow his.


    This is looking along Wilbraham Place towards Penrhyn Street and St Anthonys church from Wilbraham Street. The tenements on the left are Wilbraham House which replaced a church in the 1930s and were subsequently replaced by a petrol station, a version of which is still there on Scotland Road, currently operated by Shell.




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    Chapel Gardens runs up from Great Homer Street to Scotland Road with the Throstles Nest at the top of it on the South and St Anthonys church at the top end of it on the North side. Old warehouse property on the left has been replaced with luxury apartments which have patio doors leading out to balconies. The churches rear yard now has mature trees.



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    The Rising Sun on Green Street was owned by Mr & Mrs Mc and was in fact known locally as Mrs Mc's throughout the 1980s when pictured here. Portland Gardens tenement complex built in the 30s provided this and other pubs with a steady stream of patrons for a long time but alas the decreasing population saw a number of pubs close in the area, not least this one. Housing built in the mid 80s now occupies the site of the old tenements and even the pub is now a flats conversion.



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    There are at least 3 styles of different housing captured in John's portrayal of Vauxhall life on Barmouth Street off Boundary Street which not long after this photograph would be demolished forever. The 22 storey Logan Towers, named after local MP, David Logan takes pride of place with maisonettes and and houses as near neighbours. Barmouth Way as it's now called doesn't look as striking though the houses will no doubt be a step up from their predecessors.



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    For the rest of John's fantastic record of the Vauxhall area, please see his site here:

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    Great pics Ged, would like to see more.

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    Dave Sinclair was a prolific photographer in the 1980s and was particularly brilliant in capturing the likes of the striking dockers, various marches and the general decay of the 80s dilapidation and wastelands and what a good job he did. I must have pointed more than a hundred people in the direction of his flickr albums of old Liverpool photographs. Again here, I try to catch some 2011 comparisons.

    The Stanley Locks were derelict in the 80s. The canal basins were sludged with anything and everything from the recent demolitions that surrounded it as old barges even rotted away. Fast forward 30 years and the Athol and Eldonian villages thrive in this area masterminded by the housing co-operative that was born out of the demolition of the Burlington and Eldon Street tenements.



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    The Berni's Inn looks a bit tired here and as ever advertises concessions to get you in. A little later it was to convert to a Chinese Restaurant which saw better fortunes and I particularly liked the Pier Head in its 1970s and 80s guise with the zany yellow mosaic walls, the subways, roof terrace and long corridors leading to the bus access where they parked awaiting their customers and Sandy Bromilow to back them out of their diagonal slots.

    The area looks a little more grown up now with the canal extension and futuristic ferry terminal and Liverpool Museum designs but only time will tell.




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    W.J. Leech & Sons sailmakers and Tarpaulins were a company that we used in the road haulage business in the 80s and 90s for our wagons, though their newer premises on Derby Road, Bootle. By coincidence, we then used a haulage firm called CFC that eventually took over the tenancy of this building which was situated on the corner of Vauxhall Road and Hopwood Street. Both shots are taken from the hump backed canal bridge though back in 1980, this was Lightbody Street but that now terminates at the railway arches and this is now Barmouth Way as it curves its way from Boundary Street. Interestingly, even Hopwood Street at this end has changed its name to Gem street in commemoration of the Gem Cinema which in fact was quite some way away on Vescock Street. The premises opposite Leech's was the Jamaica Pub aka The Rat. Although the building is still there, it is now disused. Viewers may have seen a photograph taken by Carbonara during the 1911 strikes which shows a crowd standing outside this pub as one of two men who were killed by the police during the riots, was so outside this pub.



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    Not a great deal has changed in Pall Mall as it was always a street lined both sides with cars from as far back as I can remember when we all used to go down trying to catch 'micks' by Bibby's, luring them with corn as someone would dive over them with their coat. Mealies, Redduns, Fantails, all ringed were popular - some would eventually get bored and head off with match sticks 'doing' the nearby parking meters instead as a steady streams of tanners dropped to the floor.

    At least 3 of the buildings captured in the earlier shot still exists but long gone are the classic shapes of the Vauxhall Viva and Ford Escort, Cortina and Capri for what I think are very mundane like for like car bodies of today. Back then of course, Tates, Bibbys, Clarence dock power station and Graham Gratrix employed many of the local population and those cars were overspills from the car parks that utulised the still so prevalent bomb sites. The people that park there now head into town for their employment.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Dave Sinclair was a prolific photographer in the 1980s and was particularly brilliant in capturing the likes of the striking dockers...



    And everyday working class life..


    Dave Sinclair is a photographer I have admired for a long long time...
    In this day and age of overdone HDR photography.. and brainless people without a clue
    following each other around taking the same photos they see others taking..
    The same old Liver Building shots.. the same everyday Canning Dock shots..
    Watching and copying where others go....and following them to take similar photos..
    The likes of Dave Sinclair are few and far between... he is a real photographer..

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    Quote "The Rising Sun on Green Street was owned by Mr & Mrs Mc and was in fact known locally as Mrs Mc's throughout the 1980s when pictured here. Portland Gardens tenement complex built in the 30s provided this and other pubs with a steady stream of patrons for a long time but alas the decreasing population saw a number of pubs close in the area, not least this one. Housing built in the mid 80s now occupies the site of the old tenements and even the pub is now a flats conversion.

    Thanks Ged,
    brings back happy times.
    Jim Mcmanus was a great friend to my Dad and me. Indeed, we "inherited" his 2 Lpool Season Tickets.
    Many an away match we would go to, but for me, a young rat of some 16/17 yrs it was coming back and touring the town pubs. like The Vernon, with Jim and meeting up with all his fellow publicans.
    For home games we would finish up in O'Donohughes ('The Newsham' which later on was run by my sister and her husband)
    Jim was often present at the Rising Sun but it was his sister in law, Cissie, who actualy ran it.
    Mrs Mc ran the Oyster Bar in Cases Street.
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    That old blue Volvo he had too. Yes, there was a great little atmosphere in the pub too, we were never out of the little pool room.
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    Johnny Blue has kindly passed me these to post.

    Cheers John, with pleasure.


    Crosby - looking towards Moor Lane and the old bank that is now a Gardens gig venue 'The Village' pub.




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    Lower Breck Road - old and new. As in the above shots, it's easy to decide which looks the best.






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    Great pictures. Thanks.

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