YO! Liverpool
Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 6 of 19

Thread: The Steamer Manxman

  1. #1
    Creator & Administrator Kev's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Under The Stairs >> Under The Mud.
    Posts
    7,504
    Thanks
    11
    Thanked 13 Times in 11 Posts
    Blog Entries
    4

    Default The Steamer Manxman

    SHE brought joy to millions. Now campaigners battling to save one of our best-loved ships are urging those people to buy a stake in wonderful memories of yesteryear.

    The idea is for everyone to adopt a £1 rivet in the steamer Manxman to raise £100,000 and help return her to the Mersey, in a scheme backed by the Liverpool Daily Post & Echo.

    The Earl and Countess of Derby have already bulk-ordered 1,000 rivets at £1 each to launch the campaign in style, as the Derbys were formerly Lords of Mann.

    The money from the £1-a-rivet campaign is desperately needed to match-fund the offer of a £100,000 donation from Liverpool City Council by Cllr Mike Storey, executive member for special initiatives for 2008.

    Manxman is the last traditional steam-turbine powered, passenger-only, cross-channel ferry in Europe, and was the last classic steamer operated by the Isle of Man Steam Packet.

    Two million passengers sailed on Manxman between Liverpool and Douglas, plus cruises to Llandudno, from her completion by Cammell Laird, Birkenhead, in 1955, until withdrawal in 1982.

    Presently, Manxman is derelict in Pallion Shipyard’s dry dock, Sunderland, under threat of being scrapped by her Greek owners.

    Manxman Steamship Co charitable trust propose to tow Manxman from the River Wear to the Mersey either as a hulk or aboard a pontoon barge.

    The plan is to restore Manxman as a floating static conference centre and Merseyside merchant navy museum. Ken Dodd has been also invited to put his comedy museum archive on board.

    A public meeting in Liverpool last month was attended by more than 100 people, keen to see Manxman saved.


    ADVERTISING




    TO MAKE a donation, please make cheques payable to Manxman Steamship Co, and send to Bill Ogle, Chairman, Manxman Steamship Co, c/o 153 Mather Avenue, Liverpool. If you are a taxpayer, please complete a gift aid form as this will increase your donation by 28%. See website www.ssmanxman.co.uk (in Friends of Manxman section ).

    Should this bid to save Manxman be unsuccessful, residual monies will be paid to other appropriate maritime charities.

    peter.elson@icliverpool.com
    YO! Liverpool has taken me 10 years to develop and maintain.
    If you like the website, please
    donate via PayPal!




    Thank you



  2. #2
    Senior Member Waterways's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    2,973
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
    Blog Entries
    22

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    SHE brought joy to millions. Now campaigners battling to save one of our best-loved ships are urging those people to buy a stake in wonderful memories of yesteryear.
    The problem is where to put the Maxman - a very large port like Liverpool, with miles of redundant docks, couldn't even find space for the historic warships turned away from the East Float in Birkenhead. The tall ships which visit Liverpool regularly, cannot berth at Princes and associated Docks near the centre. The river locks at Brunswick Dock in the South End have been made very small only accommodating very small, mainly leisure craft. The wide South End Coburg Dock river lock has been removed and the lock sealed up. The South End docks can only be accessed by ships via the Canning Half-Tide river locks, which are small accommodating only small ships, precluding any ocean going ships. The North End Docks running from the city centre are duck pond depths. Trafalgar Dock has been filled in.

    The Manxman Steamship Co, wanted to berth SS Manxman at Princes Dock, however the dock has been filled in to canal boat depths precluding deep water vessels from using the city centre dock. Princes Half-Tide and West Waterloo Docks are also filled in to duck pond depths. They were filled in to make money for the owners who charge for dumping building waste in the docks. The owners care little about Liverpool and its deep sea maritime heritage.

    City centre Canning Dock is also in dire need of dredging unable to accommodate even smallish ships at one end. HMS Whimbrel is earmarked for berthing at Canning.

    The whole dock in-filling and failure to maintain adequate river locks for deep water vessels in the non-commercial docks is an acute embarrassment for the city as a whole. Liverpool is one of the few cities in the world where ships could berth in the city centre. The sooner Peel and British Waterways are ordered to excavate the docks and widen the river locks the better.

    The UN noted that Liverpool has historic docks, but no historic ships - because there is nowhere to put them, unless they are berthed amongst the large commercial ships in the large far north end docks - amongst the liquid tanks and piles of scrap metal. Which happens now when visiting foreign naval vessel dock - amongst the scruffy scrap piles. Acutely embarrassing.
    Last edited by Waterways; 09-30-2007 at 12:02 PM.
    The new Amsterdam at Liverpool?
    Save Liverpool Docks and Waterways - Click

    Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
    becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
    longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
    tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
    canals to view its modern museum describing
    how it once was?


    Giving Liverpool a full Metro - CLICK
    Rapid-transit rail: Everton, Liverpool & Arena - CLICK

    Save Royal Iris - Sign Petition

  3. #3
    Junior Member Diane's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    23
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Good post. Yeah bring her back up to Liverpool. This once fine ship is rotting away in Sunderland. I used to sail on her to the Isle of Man along with the Manx Maid, Monas Queen, they were the queens of the sea in their day. As to where to put her, surely there must be somewhere. I shall certainly be making a donation. Get her back up to where she belongs.

    Its annoying when companies plough money into building new horrid office blocks or silly apartments yet not into restoring this fine ship.

    Let's hope she makes it. Fingers crossed.

  4. #4
    Senior Member Waterways's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    2,973
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
    Blog Entries
    22

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane View Post
    Good post. Yeah bring her back up to Liverpool. This once fine ship is rotting away in Sunderland. I used to sail on her to the Isle of Man along with the Manx Maid, Monas Queen, they were the queens of the sea in their day. As to where to put her, surely there must be somewhere. I shall certainly be making a donation. Get her back up to where she belongs.

    Its annoying when companies plough money into building new horrid office blocks or silly apartments yet not into restoring this fine ship.

    Let's hope she makes it. Fingers crossed.
    Manxman needs a city centre location, but none are available because of the short-sightedness and greed of the docks owners - unless it can scrape through the Canning Half-Tide locks into the Salthouse or Canning Docks (tight squeeze). As Central Docks are being regenerated, "maybe" Manxman can be berthed there as they are still deep water. The area will be modern blocks, etc and ideal for such a ship. The regenerated area will attract people to the ship and vise versa.

    The question is wider than just the Manxman, it is the historic naval ships and subs, which are now being lost to other ports, the tall ships, visiting naval ships when festivals are one, etc.

    If the Mersey Barrage is built (I hope it is), then the Mersey will be locked in and there will be no low tide. Ships can then berth on the river walls, locks permanently opened, so no large maintenance expenses, etc.

    River islands a can then be built with buildings on them too, as there will be no affect on currents which keep channels clear and deep.
    The new Amsterdam at Liverpool?
    Save Liverpool Docks and Waterways - Click

    Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
    becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
    longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
    tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
    canals to view its modern museum describing
    how it once was?


    Giving Liverpool a full Metro - CLICK
    Rapid-transit rail: Everton, Liverpool & Arena - CLICK

    Save Royal Iris - Sign Petition

  5. #5
    Junior Member Diane's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    23
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    oh lets hope the Mersey barrage is built then.

  6. #6
    Senior Member HollyBlack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    100
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Manxman needs a city centre location, but none are available because ....
    If the Mersey Barrage is built (I hope it is), then the Mersey will be locked in and there will be no low tide. Ships can then berth on the river walls, locks permanently opened, so no large maintenance expenses, etc.
    River islands a can then be built with buildings on them too, as there will be no affect on currents which keep channels clear and deep.
    Where would the barrage be?

    A huge barrage, built far out into Liverpool Bay will, IMO, be uneconomic, unrealistic.

    The leading proposal - Dingle to New Ferry will not affect Liverpool in the way you describe, it mostly affects the Upper Mersey and Manchester Ship Canal. This is probably the worst possible option from an ecology standpoint as the Upper Mersey would be ruined by an insufficiency of salinity and major habitats, especially for birds, would be laid waste. Personally I hope that proposal fails. Benefits are minimal.

    A third alternative - Bootle to New Brighton would calm the Mersey Narrows but they would still be tidal, just not as much as today. It would be open to the sea at high water (to let supertankers and liners through unimpeded on the tide) but would operate as a hydroelectric dam at other times. New berths would likely be built on the walls of the barrage itself rather than on new islands. Whether they would be tourism (ferry), commercial, pleasure or museum oriented is hard to say.

    My guess is that a Bootle to New Brighton proposal, though it is more expensive than the New Ferry one will enjoy public support. Someone should get a petition going before it is too late.

    It is truly a disgrace that the historic ships did not make their way into Egerton and Morpeth docks (which are so conveniently ignored in the Wirral Waters proposals).

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. The first steamer across the atlantic in 1883
    By Kev in forum Liverpool Firsts, Facts and Achievements
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 09-20-2005, 10:51 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

For daily updates, to support us further or to join in the conversation: Follow us on Twitter @YOLiverpool / Like our Facebook Page: @LiverpoolInPictures / Join the Facebook Group: Liverpool In Pictures (YO! Liverpool)

YO! Liverpool has taken me over 10 years to develop and maintain. If you like the website, please donate via PayPal!