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    The stadium share never really went away...and may emerge again. Both clubs have no firm project in place that says they are going to build 100%.
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    PARRY: WE ARE COMMITTED TO NEW STADIUM

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    Following press speculation on Saturday morning concerning Liverpool's new stadium in Stanley Park, Rick Parry today said: 'We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design'
    Chief Executive Rick Parry told liverpoolfc.tv: "We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design inherited by Tom Hicks and George Gillett when they came into the club.

    "It will have a capacity of around 70,000, be higher quality and have a substantially increased Kop which will form the centrepiece of the new plans.

    "Ever since the original designs were unveiled, we have been continuously revising and refining with the intention of delivering the best possible solution to our future needs.

    "The situation in the credit markets has not affected our design, programme, or implementation of building our new stadium. The priority has always been to build a winning team on the pitch and everything else we do is geared towards that."

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    LFC: Reds rubbish 'stadium scrapped' reports
    Dec 15 2007

    LIVERPOOL FC today rubbished reports they had pulled the plug on plans for the new Anfield.

    Certain media outlets reported the club were set to scrap plans for their new £400m stadium because funding for it has been hit by the crackdown on worldwide credit markets.

    It was claimed the volatile financial situation was going to force American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett into taking on a smaller loan and see them ditch the revised plans for a 70,000 seat arena in favour of the original 60,000-capacity project.

    The reports also stated the project would cost around £700m.

    But Reds chief executive Rick Parry has today moved to assure fans there is nothing in the reports and the Stanley Park scheme is still on-track.

    Parry told the club website: “'We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design inherited by Tom Hicks and George Gillett when they came into the club.

    “It will have a capacity of around 70,000, be higher quality and have a substantially increased Kop which will form the centrepiece of the new plans.

    “Ever since the original designs were unveiled, we have been continuously revising and refining with the intention of delivering the best possible solution to our future needs.

    “The situation in the credit markets has not affected our design, programme, or implementation of building our new stadium.

    “The priority has always been to build a winning team on the pitch and everything else we do is geared towards that.”

    The ECHO exclusively revealed the proposed look for the new stadium back in July.

    It will be built next to a community partnership centre, club museum and shop, club offices and a conference and banquet centre.

    LFC also want to build a car park for 970 vehicles together with a hotel, commercial offices, retail outlets for food and drink, and housing on the existing Anfield site.

    The unique glass and steel dominated structure will ultimately be capable of housing almost 80,000 fans, hopefully before the first game is played in August 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    The stadium share never really went away...and may emerge again. Both clubs have no firm project in place that says they are going to build 100%.
    It wont emerge again if Everton are only willing to chip in £50 million, Keith Wyness is probably cheeky enough to ask though.

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    Red face KOP OUT!!

    Rick Parry today reassured Liverpool fans they will have a stadium to be proud of in time for the 2011-12 season.

    17 December 2007

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    Parry admits the Reds have had to rethink plans for the futuristic designs revealed earlier in the year, but he is confident the new 70,000 seater stadium will still be a fitting home for the club.

    He said: "We are now considering two schemes but the stadium will be a 70,000 seater.

    "The new stadium will be a significant improvement on the original plans and a slightly different version of the new ones.

    "And it will be a massive improvement on where we were 12 months ago, if not quite as dramatic as the plans unveiled in the summer.

    "The single tier Kop remains fundamental to the design and we are not expecting any delays – it should be on schedule for 2011."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul D View Post

    "The single tier Kop remains fundamental to the design and we are not expecting any delays – it should be on schedule for 2011."
    Shouldnt he mean "any further delays". I got a new A-Z the other day and it has "Liverpool Fc stadium - opening 2007" on the page where Stanley Park is

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    It has been nothing but delay after delay with this project. I hope for everyones sake they hurry up with the new design and start building the bloody thing. I have got a strong feeling that these new designs are going to be a bit of a let down. I agree with steH, the original design was meant to be finished in 2009, this design in 2010 and these new designs have now pushed it further back to 2011! Will we ever get a new stadium? I really don't know anymore.
    I feel sorry for the people of Anfield who now have to wait even longer before any regeneration can take place. For the sake of the people, just make a decision and start building it!

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    As I said, both clubs are dragging their feet - not one of the stadia has a firm construction project planned, just drawings and models. And prices for stadia are spiraling upwards!!!!!

    It is no secret that the LFC owners wanted a shared stadium...as did the EFC owners too. Watch this space.....

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    I wonder if 'Tesco' may show an Interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenotoole123@msn.com View Post
    I wonder if 'Tesco' may show an Interest?
    The price of the LFC stadium must be way out of reach to talk about a share to pacify the fans, and then Tesco may come over the hill to Rescue.
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    According to tonights Echo the 'council spokesman' has said a new planning application will be needed of they are looking at 70,000 as a environmental study will be required. There is no way this will be ready for 2011. I really feel sorry for the people in the surrounding area whose lives are on hold due to the uncertainty. the incompetence and arrogance of those in charge is overwhelming

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    Liverpool Football Club's plans for a new stadium have been delayed by a year due to spiralling costs.

    According to local newspaper reports, the news means that the scheme – designed by Texas-based HKS Architects – will have to apply for a third planning application.

    It is understood that the designs will have to be scaled back as the club tries to rein in costs, which had been estimated at around £400 million.

    Liverpool originally hoped to open its glamorous new stadium in time for the 2010/11 season, but the club's website now claims the stadium is 'on track' to open in the 2011/12 season.

    It is also rumoured that Atherden Fuller Leng Architects' original stadium plans – dropped when the club came under new ownership – have resurfaced, but this has yet to be confirmed.

    Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry issued a release stating the new ground will be 'slightly downgraded'.

    'We are now considering two schemes but the stadium will be a 70,000-seater,' he said.

    'The single-tier Kop stand [which will project the voices of fans across the playing surface] still remains fundamental to the design and we are not expecting any delays – it should be on schedule for 2011.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    As I said, both clubs are dragging their feet - not one of the stadia has a firm construction project planned, just drawings and models. And prices for stadia are spiraling upwards!!!!!

    It is no secret that the LFC owners wanted a shared stadium...as did the EFC owners too. Watch this space.....

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    Have you got inside info or something cos I cant see how this would logistically work?

    Everton only need £50 million for Kirkby, Liverpool need at least £300 million for Stanley Park. How can a 50-50 share happen given the vast differences in what each team will contribute. Everton will be loving this, pressing ahead with their own plans while Liverpool are in disarray. They are happy to come to Liverpool with the begging bowl when they are desperate but they wont be offering any assistance now, not by way of arrangements that would be acceptable to Liverpool anyway.

    Remember when Liverpool were wondering what to do about Anfield in the late 90s and Everton had Kings Dock and only needed £30 million to have a 50% share in it - they werent asking Liverpool then, they were going on and on about how their home would be an iconic building on the watefront before they admitted they could never afford it and let the whole city down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteH View Post
    Have you got inside info or something cos I cant see how this would logistically work?

    Everton only need £50 million for Kirkby, Liverpool need at least £300 million for Stanley Park. How can a 50-50 share happen given the vast differences in what each team will contribute. Everton will be loving this, pressing ahead with their own plans while Liverpool are in disarray. They are happy to come to Liverpool with the begging bowl when they are desperate but they wont be offering any assistance now, not by way of arrangements that would be acceptable to Liverpool anyway.
    A stadium share will be a totally new arrangement with other interested parties (council, Tesco, etc). ..and probably a new location. Anfield/Walton are poor for transport infrastructure - a predominantly residential area that should not have a large stadium near it.

    Remember when Liverpool were wondering what to do about Anfield in the late 90s and Everton had Kings Dock and only needed £30 million to have a 50% share in it - they werent asking Liverpool then, they were going on and on about how their home would be an iconic building on the watefront before they admitted they could never afford it and let the whole city down.
    Kings Dock was a Council initiative. They approached EFC. It was to be a multi-purpose arena and two club's using it would have precluded other events. EFC were in no position to bring in LFC.

    EFC could have afforded it - poor management. the cost went up to £50K plus, but still a bargain. Banks would throw money at you for that project.

    It was a good thing as that stadium would have been totally out of place on that waterfront. The smaller arena is out of place and an eyesore right now. God knows what it would have been like. A blessing in disguise that the project fell through. Imagine all the litter in the docks and river!!!!
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    True, it is reported that the new Everton stadium (if it happens) will only cost Everton £50M, however, it is wrong to say that's all they have to offer as Leahy in his Tesco guise is underwriting the building costs, getting them for next to nothing because of his contacts. Also because Knowsley Council have the foresight to see their area regenerated (whilst LCC only sit and moan about Walton/Kirkdale/Everton losing trade if EFC move) they are offering the land for free/next to nothing - isn't that part of the local residents moan. As a Company - what would you do?

    If Bestway or the LCC want to offer a like for like situation, i'm sure EFC would then have to look at it and if that includes Tesco still being allowed to build alongside (and in doing so upsetting Grosvenor as they apparently demanded no new retail within a certain radius of the city centre), then why not?

    I too think the Kings Dock with only one/two viable approach roads to it would have been a disaster, it'll be bad enough 10,000 entering and leaving that area for concerts, I feel a tad sorry for the people who bought those 'luxury apartments' that were sold with River views and probably peace and quiet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    A stadium share will be a totally new arrangement with other interested parties (council, Tesco, etc). ..and probably a new location. Anfield/Walton are poor for transport infrastructure - a predominantly residential area that should not have a large stadium near it.



    Kings Dock was a Council initiative. They approached EFC. It was to be a multi-purpose arena and two club's using it would have precluded other events. EFC were in no position to bring in LFC.

    EFC could have afforded it - poor management. the cost went up to £50K plus, but still a bargain. Banks would throw money at you for that project.

    It was a good thing as that stadium would have been totally out of place on that waterfront. The smaller arena is out of place and an eyesore right now. God knows what it would have been like. A blessing in disguise that the project fell through. Imagine all the litter in the docks and river!!!!
    I can't see both clubs going back now, they are too far down the line to rip everything up and start all over again, even if it is only stubborn pride that takes Liverpool in particular close to the abyss.

    As for the Kings Dock and other events being precluded, that would have been well funny if Everton had to call a game off because of a Spice Girls concert

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    I think you're right Ste, that neither club will want to lose face in going back to a shared stadium scenario, though I never thought LFC were in favour of that at all anyway. However, putting silly prejudices aside, and possibly before the new arena was built, I always maintained personally that this was the sensible option. If both the old stadiums with all their past history are going to be razed to the ground anyway, I didn't see the problem. Man Utd have relaid their pitch twice already this season, teams used to play on it every week anyway when the reserves would play on the saturday when the A team was away from home. Milan do it, of course it is possible, it is only the factor of retaining seperate identities that would get in the way as far as the fans are concerned. Perhaps in an ideal world both clubs could have a world class stadium to call their own but I just don't understand why the yanks asked for 700M, what are they building, a new Wembley? It seems to me they were taking out a much larger, substantial loan on the back of LFC and on other sites already, fans are saying they have shifted some of their U.S. debts onto the club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Perhaps in an ideal world both clubs could have a world class stadium to call their own but I just don't understand why the yanks asked for 700M, what are they building, a new Wembley? It seems to me they were taking out a much larger, substantial loan on the back of LFC and on other sites already, fans are saying they have shifted some of their U.S. debts onto the club.

    Thats right Ged the personal cash that Hicks and Gillett put in they are now trying to add to the total debt the club are going into for the stadium, something they promised wouldnt happen back in February, and which I suspect would have stopped David Moores selling to them.

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    Government yes to Liverpool stadium plan
    Jan 8 2008 Nick Coligan Liverpool Echo

    LIVERPOOL FC were today told the stadium plan they shelved last month could be built on Stanley Park.

    Government minister Hazel Blears confirmed she would not “call in” the futuristic proposal approved by councillors last year for further investigation.

    But her decision came three weeks after the club’s American owners ditched the scheme because costs had spiralled to more than £400m.

    George Gillett and Tom Hicks ordered a redesign of the club’s original ground scheme after taking over at Anfield last year.

    The second plan was approved by the council, but it had to be rubber-stamped by the government before work could start.

    Liverpool’s latest ground proposals - the third to be drawn up in four years - are being presented to Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry and club owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks in New York tonight. JAN 8

    In a letter to the council, Ms Blears said the second plan, which included the Anfield Plaza development on the current stadium site, did not meet the criteria for a call-in.


    She said: “Local planning authorities are normally best placed to make decisions relating to their areas.

    “It is right that in general, they should be free to carry out their duties responsibly, with the minimum of interference.”

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    With over 400 days having passed since Tom Hicks promised to have the first spade in the ground within 60 days when he took control, the Spirit of Shankly decided to lend a hand last night and started digging themselves.

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    HANDBRAKE!!!!!! (AGAIN)

    If an additional 25,000 seats could be built at Anfield (without disrupting the football season) at less cost/debt, would anyone prefer to have a NEW stadium?

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    I think its in everyones best interest for Gillett and Hicks to sell the club to DIC. DIC have far more money and drive than them two. If DIC bought the club, construction on the stadium would probably start immediately.

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