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    Moorish Arch Edge Hill - Is there any evidence of this historic arch still left? It was involved in one of Liverpool's most historical occasions - The opening of the Liverpool/ Manchester railway.

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    , imagine restoring that! Lets get a campaign going! Shame, I'd love to have a trip down there.
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    It's great down there, the original steps are the scariest things to walk down as most of em are gone!

    Here's one of Charles Hand and friends taking the tour in 1926 just before they headed in to the Williamson Tunnels.

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    Hi Kev and Jona

    Very interesting images and information, lads. My inclination would be to believe that the Moorish arch had to be demolished because it was too narrow to allow the later larger trains to pass through. Since it seems to have been almost completely removed and eradicated except for its foundations that would seem to be the case.

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    From http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...g/index3.shtml

    "In the 1860's in order to facilitate a new track alignment the Edge Hill cutting was widened forcing the demolition of the Moorish Arch."

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    That area should be treated as a heritage site. The trouble is that when people tried to clear it out to preserve it they just got shelled from above by local kids... A big shame - that's a really historic cutting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snappel View Post
    That area should be treated as a heritage site. The trouble is that when people tried to clear it out to preserve it they just got shelled from above by local kids... A big shame - that's a really historic cutting.
    I agree Snappel - shame isn't it?

    @Chris, looking at how thin the original structure was, that seems the likely explanation for widening and knocking it down.
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    Thanks for the links, I was wondering what this was and assumed It was a water tower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jona76 View Post
    It's great down there, the original steps are the scariest things to walk down as most of em are gone!

    Here's one of Charles Hand and friends taking the tour in 1926 just before they headed in to the Williamson Tunnels.

    Source - Liverpool Central Library

    Have you gone down the cutting?

    I think trains go through It still I remember going through It I think when getting the train back to Lime Street once.
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    Max, there's loads of those ventilation chimneys if you look for them relating to Wapping and Waterloo tunnels from the dock road to Edge Hill.

    You can see some at Cornwallis Street, Crown Street, in front of the Anglican cathedral, Norton street (very bare that one)
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    The one I took Is the Crown Street one I think.
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    Where about are the remains of this arch? On what road can they be reached?
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    From what I can gather, the Moorish Arch was on the other side of Edge Hill station from the Crown Street tunnel.

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    If you go to the Chatsworth Street Housing estate you can look down through railings and see where the arch was. I grew up in Myrtle Gardens on Crown Street and used to play in the old railway yards. The steps have all but disappeared. There is no plaque there or anything saying how important this railway was and thats a huge shame.
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    My word, what a shame to see that in the state its in. Great pics Jona, where is the little hole you found, I'm gonna go.
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    Wow great pics Jona they take take me back
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    where is the little hole you found, I'm gonna go.
    I should have read scanners post above sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    My word, what a shame to see that in the state its in. Great pics Jona, where is the little hole you found, I'm gonna go.
    You're asking where my hole is?

    Exactly where Scanner says it is...but we're going back a good few years so I can't give you precise directions now hehe

    Scanner - best place to get there these days? Has it changed?

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    I'm gonna go on a hunt tomorrow.
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    Thats ok Kev
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkA View Post
    From http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...g/index3.shtml

    "In the 1860's in order to facilitate a new track alignment the Edge Hill cutting was widened forcing the demolition of the Moorish Arch."
    Mark, this link is excellent and contains many images from trackside including inside some of the tunnels, cheers.
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    Don't have any info' to offer, apart from a couple of interesting pics of the arch. I found them while doing a search on my of my favourite(s) website




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    Brilliant Dave
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    The only place to view the site now, is go to tunnel Road and you will see a church ( youth club called the Action nowadays) there are railings there which you can look down at the site. A good site to go see one of the tunnels is Crown Street itself. There is a ventilation funnel (Max showed a picture of it on this thread) go up the hill and you will come to a street called Queensland Street cross it, and there is a cut out in the hill there is a tunnel (that leads to were the arch was). Great place to take some pics
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    Scanner, on the other side, where Max snapped the vent tunnel is the start of the line, there are buffers there and you can get to it from the park, or am I thinking of another tunnel?
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    You're right Kev. If you head down Overbury Street, this actually crosses over the original Crown Street tunnel. Have a nose at www.flashearth.com for Overbury Street (Edge Hill) and you'll find the line.

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    Great, Cheers Jona: Are the remains at location 1 or location 2 on the map?


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