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    THE country's first museum dedicated to the slave trade will be established in Liverpool.

    A £10m plan to set up the National Museum and Centre for the Understanding of Transatlantic Slavery at Albert Dock was unveiled today.

    The new attraction, which won Lottery funding, will feature dynamic and thought-provoking displays about a shameful chapter in British history.

    A resource centre where people will be able to research information about the slave trade will also be set up.

    The facility is to be split between exhibition space at the Maritime Museum and the former Dock Traffic Office, which is currently home to Granada television.

    It is hoped the new museum will be ready for 2007, Liverpool's 800th birthday and the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the slave trade. The resource centre will open two years later.

    Loyd Grossman, chairman of National Museums Liverpool, said: "The new museum will challenge preconceptions and address issues of relevance to everyone today."

    Museum bosses believe Liverpool is the perfect location for the national archive because of the key role it played in the industry.

    Thousands of slaves were brought to the city from Africa before crossing the Atlantic to work in the West Indies and North America.

    Displays at the new museum will cover issues such as freedom, identity, human rights, reparations, racial discrimination and cultural change.

    The Maritime Museum already has a gallery dedicated to transatlantic slavery, but the new facility will allow it to expand.

    The Heritage Lottery Fund today announced it would donate 1.65m to the museum.

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    This was first mentioned a while back and then it all went quiet but I'm glad to see it's back on the agenda again.

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    National Museums Liverpool are appealing for private investors to finance the centre, which they claim will become as significant as New York's Holocaust Museum.

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    According to the New Internationalist there are currently an estimated 27 million people who are enslaved around the world. They define slavery as being 'Forced to work through violence or the threat of it, they are under
    the complete control of their ‘employers’. They are treated
    as property and sometimes bought and sold.'.

    Under this definition modern slavery falls into 6 categories, bonded labour, trafficking, child slaves, forced labour, forced marriage and traditional slavery.

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    Reading in the Echo about the WOOLTON councilour who wants us to change our street names.
    She wants to do this because of the streets association's with the slave trade
    Can't help but feel this lady is doing a little PR exerzise for herself.
    This is our City not the councils they are elected to run the City for our benifit not change it for their's
    Gooodness knows they make enough out of us with all their meetings they put their names down for.
    These things happened in the past.
    It is not the faullt of the present dwellers of the City what thier forebaers did.
    Why not go the hole hog and get the Italians to to apoligse and cowtow for what the Romans did to our Celtic ancestors.

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    exactly - its history, rather than moan about street names, why don't all these councillors spend time doing what they're paid to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomo-CIL
    exactly - its history, rather than moan about street names, why don't all these councillors spend time doing what they're paid to do.
    They are trying to air-brush history. It happened. The city apologised, but as yet no African nation has. The African tribes would enslave another - round them up, take them to the coast where Liverpool ships, amongst others, would take them across the Atlantic to the Caribbean or the southern States of the USA. Many of the slaves lived better lives in the Caribbean than being enslaved in Africa.

    The Africans did most of the slave trade work – which has also been air-brushed from history. White people could not go much into "darkest Africa" because they would contract diseases easily. They could only stay on the coast. Only when drugs came along could white people go inland - quinine and the likes. It was called Darkest Africa because no white people had been or could go there. The Portugese established coastal trading ports on the West Coast of Africa in the 1400s. White people had been on the West Coast of Africa a long time, yete only entered the interior not much more than 100 years ago - the late 1800s.

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    I never knew that Waterways - does make a lot of sense indeed.

    Obviously these councillors don't do their homework!

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    yeah its true, focus on the slavery that still exists, not the slavery that existed 200 + years ago

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    Does the MP forget that the African kings sold off heit own people as slaves too!
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    Time to remember city's slave past.

    NEXT month's Slavery Remembrance Day will set the scene for the opening of Liverpool's International Slavery Museum in 2007.

    Otterspool Promenade will play host to an afternoon of free cultural events and entertainment on August 23.

    And the artistic director of the Institute of Contemporary Arts, Ekow Eshun, will be the key speaker.

    This year's day will start with an interfaith service at St Nicholas parish church at the Pier Head. Events at Otterspool include a food and exhibition marquee, as well as children's activities .

    There is also a chance to learn more about Merseyside Maritime Museum's new International Slavery Museum due to open on August 23, 2007.

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    Its all going down at Otterspool eh? Cheers Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    Its all going down at Otterspool eh? Cheers Paul
    It certainly is that might be worth a visit also great news about our new museum eh.

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    I was really impressed with the maritime museum when I last payed a visit and the slavery museum blew me away even though it was pretty small so I can't wait for this bigger version dedicated solely to the International slave trade,and it'll be open for 2008 when we will finally start to see signs of us getting our city back to were it belongs.

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    Pleased to hear this. should be a welcome "attraction", certainly somewhere to contemplate what went on

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    Forget all the developments that are going on because it's little things like this that makes a city great in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    THE country's first museum dedicated to the slave trade will be established in Liverpool.

    A £10m plan to set up the National Museum and Centre for the Understanding of Transatlantic Slavery at Albert Dock was unveiled today.

    The new attraction, which won Lottery funding, will feature dynamic and thought-provoking displays about a shameful chapter in British history.

    A resource centre where people will be able to research information about the slave trade will also be set up.

    The facility is to be split between exhibition space at the Maritime Museum and the former Dock Traffic Office, which is currently home to Granada television.

    It is hoped the new museum will be ready for 2007, Liverpool's 800th birthday and the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the slave trade. The resource centre will open two years later.

    Loyd Grossman, chairman of National Museums Liverpool, said: "The new museum will challenge preconceptions and address issues of relevance to everyone today."

    Museum bosses believe Liverpool is the perfect location for the national archive because of the key role it played in the industry.

    Thousands of slaves were brought to the city from Africa before crossing the Atlantic to work in the West Indies and North America.
    That is totally wrong. Few came to Liverpool. They were taken directly from Africa and the Caribbean.

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    yeah thats totally wrong

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    The Trade Triangle

    The transatlantic slave trade generally followed a triangular route. Traders set out from European ports towards Africa's west coast. There they bought people in exchange for goods and loaded them into the ships. The voyage itself generally took 6 to 8 weeks. Once in the Americas, those Africans who had survived the journey were off-loaded for sale and put to work as slaves. The ships returned to Europe with goods such as sugar, coffee, tobacco, rice and later cotton, which had been produced by slave labour.

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    British ignorant over history of slave trade-poll



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    LONDON (Reuters) - Only one in 10 Britons knows when the transatlantic slave trade was abolished and almost half the population has no

    idea who campaigned to end it, a poll showed on Tuesday.

    The findings prompted human rights groups to call for schoolchildren to learn more about the

    trade and Britain to mark next year's bicentenary of its abolition in a meaningful way.



    "This is a clarion call for education," said Richard Reddie, project director for Set All Free, a church umbrella

    group coordinating bicentenary commemorations.

    "For too long it has been written out of history as just a footnote," he told Reuters. "It needs to be as

    central to teaching as the Battle of Trafalgar or the Second World War."

    Reflecting on how successful Britain had been as a multi-cultural society, he

    said of abolition: "I think there is a collective amnesia and embarrassment over Britain being one of the prime movers in the slave trade.

    "The idea of

    one person owning another is a despicable one."

    The Mori poll commissioned by his group showed that only one in 10 people questioned could name 1807 as

    the year the trade was abolished.

    Forty-six percent said they had no idea who had campaigned -- like abolitionist William Wilberforce -- for an end to

    the trade.

    The human rights group Anti-Slavery International said the findings showed that teaching pupils about the slave trade should be made

    compulsory in British schools.

    "This research reveals the need for much greater awareness and education," it said in a statement. "At least 12 million

    people are in slavery today. No region is free from this abuse and slavery is found in most countries."

    The pressure group has warned that most of those

    12 million people are children, ensnared in pornography and prostitution, exploited as cheap labour and forced into being child soldiers.

    In the run-up

    to the bicentenary, the government has said it is contemplating whether to issue "a statement of regret" but no decision has been made

    yet.

    Liverpool, the northern port which transported about one million slaves from West Africa to the United States

    and the Caribbean, issued an apology in 1999.

    In February, the Church of England apologised for profiting from the "dehumanising and shameful" slave

    trade two centuries after its members helped bring about its abolition in Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    THE country's first museum dedicated to the slave trade will be established in Liverpool.

    A £10m plan to set up the National Museum and Centre for the Understanding of Transatlantic Slavery at Albert Dock was unveiled today.

    The new attraction, which won Lottery funding, will feature dynamic and thought-provoking displays about a shameful chapter in British history.

    A resource centre where people will be able to research information about the slave trade will also be set up.

    The facility is to be split between exhibition space at the Maritime Museum and the former Dock Traffic Office, which is currently home to Granada television.

    It is hoped the new museum will be ready for 2007, Liverpool's 800th birthday and the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the slave trade. The resource centre will open two years later.

    Loyd Grossman, chairman of National Museums Liverpool, said: "The new museum will challenge preconceptions and address issues of relevance to everyone today."

    Museum bosses believe Liverpool is the perfect location for the national archive because of the key role it played in the industry.

    Thousands of slaves were brought to the city from Africa before crossing the Atlantic to work in the West Indies and North America.

    Displays at the new museum will cover issues such as freedom, identity, human rights, reparations, racial discrimination and cultural change.

    The Maritime Museum already has a gallery dedicated to transatlantic slavery, but the new facility will allow it to expand.

    The Heritage Lottery Fund today announced it would donate 1.65m to the museum.

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    Kev-I have a theory and I want to bounce it about to see how it measures up to reality.
    My theory is that the original cavern club premises was, at some point in it's history. 'A slave hold'.
    Further to that, I think that the old building was connected in some way or other to the waterfront, 'underground'.
    The topography between that building in mathew street, down to, what is now the museum of slavery, lends a little credence to that notion!
    Do you have a thought on that?

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    My theory is that the original cavern club premises was, at some point in it's history. 'A slave hold'.
    Prior to the warehouse becoming "The Cavern Night Club" the space was occupied as an egg storage facility owned by a firm named 'Fell & Company'. Also and prior to Fell & Company the space ws used to store dry goods. I believe the company was named Irwin or something like that.

    Liverpool had only a ad hoc slave market and it would have not been cost effective to transport slaves from the African West Coast to Liverpool when the industry was set up to deliver slaves to the major markets in the Americas. The "Middle Passage" between Africa and the Americas was the quickest and most cost effective route to those markets. Selling slaves in Europe would have been at a financial loss, what, with the abundance of cheap labour in Europe. Also, the goods that the slaves were traded for, spices, sugar, cotton, herbs, etc., were worth far more in Europe than were slave, for the aformentioned reason.

    The market for slaves in Europe was almost non-existant due to the very meagre, if any, returns realised. Capitalism back then was no different than present day capitalism, maximising profit being the criteria.

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    There is also a lot of myth surrounding the slave trade especially post 18th century.

    I doubt there is a house a cellar or a building which exists in Modern Day Liverpool that has housed slaves.

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    **** hippies need to get over it.

    We acknowledge it already and relised it happened but times goes on and it sucks to hold a grudge, especially since it was our ancestors not us!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    We acknowledge it already and relised it happened but times goes on and it sucks to hold a grudge, especially since it was our ancestors not us!
    If "OUR" ancestors were the priviledged class and thier agents, which mine were not. Just a very few British people benefitted from the nefarious trade in human misery. Later those same people, to protect the loot they stole from the Empire, built a wall the full length of the docks, seperating us from our river.

    While millions of humans were being impressed into bondage, millions in Europe, including children, we being exploited by being used to depress the wages, meagre as they were, of thier fathers and mothers by being employed down mines, up chimneys, in mills and those were hailed as the lucky ones. The unlucky ones were left to beg on the streets of European cities while surrounded by ostentatious wealth and abundance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    **** hippies need to get over it.

    We acknowledge it already and relised it happened but times goes on and it sucks to hold a grudge, especially since it was our ancestors not us!
    Not one African nation has apologised for its role in the enslavement. The Liverpool ships transported them, the Africans rounded them up in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    If "OUR" ancestors were the priviledged class and thier agents, which mine were not. Just a very few British people benefitted from the nefarious trade in human misery. Later those same people, to protect the loot they stole from the Empire, built a wall the full length of the docks, seperating us from our river.

    While millions of humans were being impressed into bondage, millions in Europe, including children, we being exploited by being used to depress the wages, meagre as they were, of thier fathers and mothers by being employed down mines, up chimneys, in mills and those were hailed as the lucky ones. The unlucky ones were left to beg on the streets of European cities while surrounded by ostentatious wealth and abundance.
    Forced slavery and one by circumstances.
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    Not one African nation has apologised for its role in the enslavement. The Liverpool ships transported them, the Africans rounded them up in the first place.
    Originally it was the Portuguese, Spannish, Dutch, French and English who "rounded them up". Seeing the example and how one could trade human flesh for desired goods, guns, powder, knives, pots, pans, etc., Africans joined in the profitable practice and sold thier fellows (usually captives from enemy tribes) for gain. Not unlike the practice of North American First Nation warriors taking European scalps, which was, originally, a practice instituted by the Dutch in North America. The authorities placed a bounty on the lives of "Indians" and to stop the fraud, of claimind killings that didn't happen, by the Dutch settlers, demanded proof of the killing. The ever so civilized Dutch settlers decided to take scalps because a scalp was light and easy to transport. And because the stipend was on a sliding scale from children through women to men, the scalp could prove what the age and gender of the murdered native was.

    Shall we demand that Africans apologize for not driving the Europeans from thier shores? Africans armed with stones, spears, bow & arrows and protected by skin shields against muscat, balls, cannon, knives and cutlasses.

    Waterways, might I suggest some reading to you? Try reading 'Guns, Germs & Steel' by Jared Diamond.?

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