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    Old Pottery Kiln dating from pre 19th century. A photograph of an old pottery kiln uncovered during excavation work before the construction of the extension to the central library.

    Courtesy LRO.

    I makes one wonder what was there before what is there now
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    Wonder what else they might come across?

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    Shaw's Brow [William Brown Street]. Kay Parrott writing in Pictorial Liverpool...says "by 1790, there were 74 houses on Shaw's Brow, occupied by 374 people, all of whom were connected to the potteries." An example [below] of a kiln which formed part of Seth Penninton's works, north of the street, though not thought to be on the Library site.










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    Shaw's Brow was full of these and mills during that time. Mill Lane still stands between the Art Gallery and Sessions House. Although there were inns and pubs near the bottom of the street, as William Brown St, it is one of the longest thoroughfares never to have contained a pub.
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    Ha, except this one. Although this pub probably knows more of Shaw's Brow, than of William Brown Street.

    I bet all the potters spun themselves into a right ole state in the 'Angel' Inn?


    What's your order? A pint of Harp, a glass of Blue Nun and a couple of pieces of stinking bishop to go with that please?






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    Nice to see. It looks as if Shaw's Brow was a minor version of the Potteries in Stoke-on-Trent. Let's not forget the Herculaneum Pottery by the Dingle. Centuries earlier, the Romans had pottery kilns in Wilderspool near Warrington and in Manchester. See here.

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    J.Fred Smith 1897

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    J.Fred Smith 1897

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    Ha, he must have been standing right behind the photograper? "Tripod, black box, hours to develop...it'll never catch on"


    The ads/ signs in the illustration are exactly the same as in the photo.
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    Wonderful photo !, all the little shops against such a grand building !, and boy did they advertise their wares !!

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    Yes, those pubs were the remnants of the old Shaw's Brow. How grandeur stands next to ramshackled dwellings there. That's Livesly Place which leads through to the old courts off Hunter Street.
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    went through the 1766 Trade Directory for Liverpool some time ago and listed the potters and related trades that I could find.

    I imagine the kiln found was from a factory producing delft by one or more of the following :-

    Liverpool Directory 1766



    Edward Alcock Painter east side South Dock
    William Ball China Maker Ranelagh Street
    Thomas Billinge Engraver Rainsfords Buildings
    Bird and Jones Mug Warehousemen Bird Street
    Phillip Christian Potter Lord Street
    James Cotter & Co. Potters Hay Market
    George Drinkwater & Co. Potters Duke Street
    John Dunbibin Potter Shaws Brow
    Frederick Fisher Potter Harrington Street
    Robert Kennish Mugman Chapel Street
    Hugh McCormick Mug Warehouseman east side dry pier
    Samuel Poole Potter Dale Street
    John Roscoe Potter Shaws Brow
    William Stringfellow Enameller Park Lane
    Richard Thwaites Potter Park Lane
    Robert Tyrer Potter Shaws Brow
    Robert Willcock & Co. Potters Park Lane
    John Willams Potter Shaws Brow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Judge View Post
    went through the 1766 Trade Directory for Liverpool some time ago and listed the potters and related trades that I could find.

    I imagine the kiln found was from a factory producing delft by one or more of the following :-

    Liverpool Directory 1766

    Edward Alcock Painter east side South Dock
    William Ball China Maker Ranelagh Street
    Thomas Billinge Engraver Rainsfords Buildings
    Bird and Jones Mug Warehousemen Bird Street
    Phillip Christian Potter Lord Street
    James Cotter & Co. Potters Hay Market
    George Drinkwater & Co. Potters Duke Street
    John Dunbibin Potter Shaws Brow
    Frederick Fisher Potter Harrington Street
    Robert Kennish Mugman Chapel Street
    Hugh McCormick Mug Warehouseman east side dry pier
    Samuel Poole Potter Dale Street
    John Roscoe Potter Shaws Brow
    William Stringfellow Enameller Park Lane
    Richard Thwaites Potter Park Lane
    Robert Tyrer Potter Shaws Brow
    Robert Willcock & Co. Potters Park Lane
    John Willams Potter Shaws Brow
    Well,there are 4 listed at Shaw's Brow,where the excavation is/was,so probably one of those?!

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    Christian Street, Liverpool 3 was named after the potter Philip Christian.
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    It's a shame no industrial archaeology took place as delft is simply stated to be 'Liverpool' without any further classification as to factory, which could be discovered by the style of decoration on pottery shards from the acfual factory sites.

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    There's an analysis of the extent of finds published in The Changing Face of Liverpool 1207-1770, by the Merseyside Archaeological Society 2007.

    It says "Pottery was produced in south west Lancashire during the Medieval period but evidence for earthenware manufacture in Liverpool is not found until early in the eighteenth century, when Samuel Shaw established a pottery on the slope of the hill which became known as Shaw's Brow (William Brown Street). The early Liverpool pottery was of the Dutch type of tin-glazed earthenware, with a coarse body and thick white or blue glaze, commonly known as Delft.

    By 1766 there were six potteries in Shaw's Brow [this must be from the 1766 trade directory] and a futher eight potteries in town, including Alderman Thomas Shaw, the son of Samuel"
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