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    Default Grey Horse Knotty Ash?

    Does anyone know where Grey Horse hamlet was?
    I'm looking for my Howard family who lived in & around Prescot Rd on various census

    there seems to be a cluster of Howard's living there too & I'm trying to connect them with mine


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    one family (definetly mine) lived at Lord Nelson (Court) does anyone know where that was ?

    another lived Prescot Rd in the village or hamlet of Grey horse(1871) I've looked at maps but can't find Grey horse...I can find Black Horse or Grey Hound but not GreyHorse could it be by the brewery somewhere

    can anyone help???
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    In the meantime (unless this is you?)...

    http://nmfhssouthport.myfreeforum.or...t__t_1243.html

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    There's a Grey Horse mentioned here:
    http://yourarchives.nationalarchives...reet_Index_G-K

    Lord Neloson "Cottages" are, I believe behind the Lord nelson Pub.

    There was a The Bay Horse Hotel, which was situated between Knotty Ash Station and Eaton Rd.

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    There is a Lord Nelson pub now on Prescot Road and across in Sprinfield Park, Nelson's Monument/obelisk. There is a Greyhound pub, but not grey horse? But - there is a black horse pub too of course. This on the 1908 Edwardian map.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmtmaj View Post
    There's a Gey Horse mentioned here:
    http://yourarchives.nationalarchives...reet_Index_G-K

    Lord Neloson "Cottages" are, I believe behind the Lord nelson Pub.

    There was a The Bay Horse Hotel, which was situated between Knotty Ash Station and Eaton Rd.

    Mart
    Hi Mart,
    The Lord Nelson cottages where next to the Lord Nelson pub on East Prescot Rd and ran the full length to Rudyard Rd just before Sainsbury,s , the cottages to the rear of the Lord Nelson are St Annes Cottages, all housed Joseph Jones,s brewery workers, there was another pub The Turks Head which stood on the now site of Windsors shoeshop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oudeis View Post
    In the meantime (unless this is you?)...

    http://nmfhssouthport.myfreeforum.or...t__t_1243.html
    thank you Oudeis,I haven't come across any Southport connection yet but I've bookmarked the page

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmtmaj View Post
    There's a Gey Horse mentioned here:
    http://yourarchives.nationalarchives...reet_Index_G-K

    Lord Neloson "Cottages" are, I believe behind the Lord nelson Pub.

    There was a The Bay Horse Hotel, which was situated between Knotty Ash Station and Eaton Rd.

    Mart
    thanks Mart I saw the photo of the Bayhorse on your site

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    There is a Lord Nelson pub now on Prescot Road and across in Sprinfield Park, Nelson's Monument/obelisk. There is a Greyhound pub, but not grey horse? But - there is a black horse pub too of course. This on the 1908 Edwardian map.
    thanks Ged,I've looked on maps & in books but can't find any mention of greyhorse apart from the census

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    Quote Originally Posted by dot View Post
    Hi Mart,
    The Lord Nelson cottages where next to the Lord Nelson pub on East Prescot Rd and ran the full length to Rudyard Rd just before Sainsbury,s , the cottages to the rear of the Lord Nelson are St Annes Cottages, all housed Joseph Jones,s brewery workers, there was another pub The Turks Head which stood on the now site of Windsors shoeshop.
    thanks Dot,I'm at Alder Hey tomorrow so I might have a nose around...I did see a very old street sign for St Anne's cottage last time I looked but didn't have my camera

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    this is the description for the enumeration district on 1881 census
    Prescot Rd south side from Chapmans Corner to Thomas Lane,including Swan Row Littledales House & lodges, all the houses about Grey Horse,Lord Nelson & Nelson Yard ,Park View to Hewitts house ,houses of gateway & the back
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmtmaj View Post

    Lord Nelson "Cottages" are, I believe behind the Lord nelson Pub.



    Mart

    The cottages are still there. Go through the entry that is called ' LITTLE BONGS ' and the cottages are there. They run behind the Lord Nelson pub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    The cottages are still there. Go through the entry that is called ' LITTLE BONGS ' and the cottages are there. They run behind the Lord Nelson pub.
    thanks Spike I will look tomorrow if I can
    I wasn't sure if it was a court because in 1871 its called Lord Nelson Court...just called Lord Nelson in 1881
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbo176 View Post
    this is the description for the enumeration district on 1881 census
    Prescot Rd south side from Chapmans Corner to Thomas Lane,including Swan Row Littledales House & lodges, all the houses about Grey Horse,Lord Nelson & Nelson Yard ,Park View to Hewitts house ,houses of gateway & the back
    Thomas Littledale was Lord Mayor in 1826. He is noted as being part of St John's Church on Thomas Lane. So Littledales House could be his? Puts it in this area though.

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    Hi Spike,
    The Bongs are at the back of the cottages on East Prescot Rd opposite Windsors shoe shop, St Annes cottages are at the rear of the Lord Nelson pub in Rudyard Close, there is an old weather worn sign to the side of no 1 St Annes Cotts built 1882 not sure of the date for the Bongs

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    Your right Dot.

    You can get to the cottages at the side of Sainsbury's next to the Lord Nelson Pub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Thomas Littledale was Lord Mayor in 1826. He is noted as being part of St John's Church on Thomas Lane. So Littledales House could be his? Puts it in this area though.
    thanks for the info Spike.....I wonder if Greyhorse was a Hamlet why isn't it on any maps...Black Horse Hamlet is!!!
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    Littledale is off Thomas Lane near to the church.

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    The excerpt you quoted earlier does not mention Grey Horse Hamlet. I suppose there might have been a farm stead named after an Anglo Saxon, it then became an inn then a pub, but the name stuck?

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    Looked on a 1906 map but not much is listed by name aaargh.

    Funny enough there are Littledales Cottages listed further up towards Queens Drive Old Swan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oudeis View Post
    The excerpt you quoted earlier does not mention Grey Horse Hamlet. I suppose there might have been a farm stead named after an Anglo Saxon, it then became an inn then a pub, but the name stuck?
    in 1871 Amy Howard (don't know if she's one of mine) lived Prescot Rd in the village or hamlet of Greyhorse ....West Derby district 66
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    Soundly, but gently slapped on wrist. I am not having my best weekend for inter-gender relationships.

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    Mart what year is the directory on your website?
    there's a James Howard at 67 Prescot Rd & another one? at 99 Prescot Rd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oudeis View Post
    Soundly, but gently slapped on wrist. I am not having my best weekend for inter-gender relationships.
    its my fault for not wording it properly....I've been trying to connect this family for a while now & its doing my head in
    its not only the place names, its wondering if there is any connection & if not why are there so many Howards living so close together since at least 1841
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    1851: Ref No. RG 10/3850, Folio Nos. 132-133

    Prescot Street. Nearby street Grey Horse.

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    As this is the blind leading the far sighted I will stop at this...

    Marriage: 2 Dec 1891 St Mary, West Derby, Lancashire, England
    William Henry Metcalfe - 33 Groom Bachelor of Swan Road, Old Swan
    Jane Howard - 26 Spinster of Swan Road, Old Swan
    Groom's Father: Thomas Metcalfe, Mason
    Bride's Father: John Howard, Farmer
    Witness: Thomas Metcalfe; Ellen Jones
    Married by Banns by: R. Cuffe
    Register: Marriages 1883 - 1903, Page 101, Entry 202
    Source: LDS Film 1546071

    The Church of St Mary the Virgin
    (West Derby Chapel), West Derby

    From...

    http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/...1883-1903.html

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    thank you for taking the trouble for looking for me Oudeis...& everyone else too its much appreciated
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbo176 View Post
    Mart what year is the directory on your website?
    there's a James Howard at 67 Prescot Rd & another one? at 99 Prescot Rd
    Its on the 1906 map page.... 1906

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmtmaj View Post
    Its on the 1906 map page.... 1906

    Mart
    thanks Mart

    I found this in Lost villages of Liverpool pt 3 by Derek Whale

    Another set of well known cottages thereabouts ,until their demolition before the last war,were Grey horse cottages.These stood with an old pub called the Grey horse,on whose gable end was mounted a carved horses head.And in in one of these cottages live a lively lass named "Big Lill" - a huge ,fearless but good-hearted soul who really enjoyed her ale.On the occasions when Lill imbibed too much & became fighting drunk ,it took the combined efforts of six policemen to hoist her into the black Maria !
    Squeezed in somewhere between Knotty Ash & Old Swan was another tiny hamlet called "Pump Fold" which was known to postmen ,if few other people ,in its time.A handful of dwellings there were called Littledale's cottages.

    Big Lill sounds like one of my lot haha!!!
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    Squeezed between Knotty Ash and Old Swan is Grey Horse. I did wonder what was put on a savoury butty. I'll stick to the Jam ones though myself.

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    Squeezed in somewhere between Knotty Ash & Old Swan was another tiny hamlet called "Pump Fold" which was known to postmen ,if few other people ,in its time.A handful of dwellings there were called Littledale's cottages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Come on Spike, you must know it then?
    he did know where Littledale cottages were
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    Littledale cottages were stil there in 1906 - see map on the site.
    They stood about where the masionettes are now between Prescot Rd and Warmington Rd.

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    I have a book called Knotty Ash, Old Swan and West Derby by G. Radley.

    On page 26 it states "the stationmaster's house stands on the corner of Warmington Road. On the opposite corner, stood a wooden cafe alongside a group of old cottages. Next to the cottages stood the Bay Horse. They Bay Horse seems to have been demolished before 1930."

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    1891 census:
    The Grey Horse Inn, 22, Prescot Rd RG12/3001/60a. Ignore this one, though.

    Grey Horse (beerhouse, Elizabeth Charnock), 161, Prescot Rd* RG12/3001/36a.
    The Charnocks appear on a few Census' at Prescot Rd as beerhouse/beersellers.
    Charnock Cottages are marked on an early map. On later maps the area of Spring Place and Littledale's Cottages.

    *this was on the section of Prescot Rd between Old Swan and Knotty Ash.

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    thanks again everyone for you time & effort ...just one question is Bay Horse another hamlet or just a pub/inn?
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    I think the Bay horse was an inn/pub, not a hamlet, but only my guess
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