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    What area is this in Kev?




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    What area is this in Kev?

    Central Docks, just north of the City Centre I think.
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    Collingwood Dock, next to Stanley Dock, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post

    Collingwood Dock, next to Stanley Dock, isn't it?
    Sorry Howie, I meant north of the Central Docks
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    Howie - absolutely love your photo, the colours are amazing!!

    If anyone's interested in visiting it, it's quite easy to get to, although it's choc-full of pigeon crap. The first time I went there it was night-time, and they'd all gone in to roost... an experience I can tell you!




    Pendulum housing


    Interesting grafitti!!


    Clockface drive gears




    Bell room

    Unfortunately the clock mechanism has gone along with the big bronze bell, which looks to have been cut off (the top remains, with the maker's name engraved). A lot of the woodwork is rotten, but it's possible to get out onto the top. Grafitti is also interesting!!

    I was talking to a security guard at the Freeport and he said he went to explore it years back and had to climb in because the door had been barracaded by a tramp who was living there. Apparently as he climbed up one side, the tramp climbed down a rope on the other side and did one! Quite unique though, hopefully eventually it'll be restored.

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    An excellent report, its brilliant having the chance to see inside!! Many thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post


    Collingwood Dock, next to Stanley Dock, isn't it?
    Nope. The Victoria Tower at the river "barge locks" at Salisbury Dock next to Collingwood Dock which is next to Stanley Dock. The river "barge locks" can still be operable. The lcoks took small vessels, barges, tugs, coasters, etc.

    The only other six sided clock is in Russia, I think in Kiev. Victoria Tower also had a flat for the lock keeper. Living with that bell clanging?
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    Such cool graffito!
    Gididi Gididi Goo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snappel View Post
    Howie - absolutely love your photo, the colours are amazing!!
    Afraid I can't take credit for the two photos that I posted above. I should have referenced them. The first one is courtesy of Liverpool Pictorial and the second from The Tuesday Night Club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    Afraid I can't take credit for the two photos that I posted above. I should have referenced them. The first one is courtesy of Liverpool Pictorial
    Of course Liverpool Pictorial is the site belonging to member scouserdave
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    Oh right, not surprised then, he does take some pretty hot photos! Interesting to hear about the other 6 sided clock in Russia. Must say, I've never seen anything like it before in the UK...

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    Above: Collingwood Dock is the near dock and Salisbury the far dock. The dock to the left is what remains of Trafalgar dock. To the right of Salisbury Dock Nelson Dock can just be seen. Some commercial activity still goes on in these docks.



    Above: Clarence Graving docks. Trafalgar dock is now just a basin for ships to enter the graving docks. The graving docks have not been used since last Xmas.
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    when this area is eventually regenerated... id hope to see the clock tower restored to its former glory, because its a great piece of architecture

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    It's mentioned on the World Heritage Bid site somewhere, and is listed, so at some stage it'll be done I'm sure...

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    Hi all

    I wrote a poem about this clock as shown below. I have to admit though that when I worked at the docks, for a summer job as a clerk in 1966, I never actually saw the clock because I was working in the southern docks, at Wapping Dock. There seems to be some confusion as to whether the clock has six sides or eight sides, with at least two websites at variance.

    The Docker's Clock

    Tick tock. The Dockers' Clock
    -- with its six clock faces that faced
    the points of the compass, the drunken
    sailors' rolling gait, their brawling wake
    -- plotted my time during the summer hols,
    a few quid in a paypacket, my first job,
    clocking me in and out as I plotted
    the comings and goings of the ships
    in and out of the Liverpool docks:
    stalwart-named docks like the strong
    Assam tea I sipped as I munched
    on my greasy Dock Road bacon butties:
    King's and Queen's, Wapping, Salthouse,
    Albert, Waterloo, Huskisson, Princes,
    Nelson, Trafalgar, Wellington. . .


    Christopher T. George



    The Liverpool Pictorial site on the Jesse Hartley - Victoria Tower 1848, a.k.a. The Dockers' Clock definitely says the clock has eight sides but on the Liverpool monuments site it says six sides. Which is it? Eight sides would more naturally match the points of the compass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi all

    I wrote a poem about this clock

    as shown below. I have to admit though that when I worked at the docks, for a summer job as a clerk in 1966, I never actually saw the clock because I was

    working in the southern docks, at Wapping Dock. There seems to be some confusion as to whether the clock has six sides or eight sides, with at least two

    websites at variance.

    The Docker's Clock

    Tick tock. The Dockers' Clock
    -- with its six clock faces that faced
    the points of the

    compass, the drunken
    sailors' rolling gait, their brawling wake
    -- plotted my time during the summer hols,
    a few quid in a paypacket, my first job,


    clocking me in and out as I plotted
    the comings and goings of the ships
    in and out of the Liverpool docks:
    stalwart-named docks like the strong


    Assam tea I sipped as I munched
    on my greasy Dock Road bacon butties:
    King's and Queen's, Wapping, Salthouse,
    Albert, Waterloo, Huskisson,

    Princes,
    Nelson, Trafalgar, Wellington. . .


    Christopher T. George

    The

    Liverpool Pictorial site
    on the Jesse Hartley - Victoria Tower 1848, a.k.a. The Dockers' Clock definitely says the clock has eight sides but on

    the Liverpool monuments site it says six sides. Which is it? Eight sides would more

    naturally match the points of the compass.

    Chris
    Fantastic poem Chris
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    Thanks, Kev. I also have a poem about the time I worked on the docks on my website,

    "Dock Boy" and it will be included in the new Living on Hope Street anthology edited by

    Jim Bennett.

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    ahem...The Teardrop Explodes used the docks and specifically the Hartley clock in

    their video for Reward in 1980.

    As I recall it was basically all shot at nightime with a bonfire, a jeep, lots of acid, and two trumpeters silhoueted

    against the night sky atop Hartley's crenellations....

    They also shot the video for Colors Fly there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    there seems to be some confusion as to whether the clock has six sides or eight

    sides, with at least two websites at variance.

    The Docker's Clock

    Tick tock. The Dockers' Clock
    -- with its six clock

    faces that faced
    the points of the compass, the drunken
    sailors' rolling gait, their brawling wake
    -- plotted my time during the summer hols,


    a few quid in a paypacket, my first job,
    clocking me in and out as I plotted
    the comings and goings of the ships
    in and out of the Liverpool

    docks:
    stalwart-named docks like the strong
    Assam tea I sipped as I munched
    on my greasy Dock Road bacon butties:
    King's and Queen's,

    Wapping, Salthouse,
    Albert, Waterloo, Huskisson, Princes,
    Nelson, Trafalgar, Wellington. . .


    Christopher T. George



    The Liverpool Pictorial site on the Jesse Hartley - Victoria Tower 1848,

    a.k.a. The Dockers' Clock definitely says the clock has eight sides but on the Liverpool

    monuments site
    it says six sides. Which is it? Eight sides would more naturally match the points of the compass.

    Chris
    What a

    fantastic poem Chris! And a good shout about whether it's a 6 sided clock face or 8. Looking at the pics again, it appears 6 sided to me. I've been

    mooching around there for so many years taking photos and have never once questioned the description I used from "Buildings of Liverpool". When I read your

    post, I gulped and thought I messed up with the quote from the book, but I can confirm that it quotes "eight circular clock faces".

    BTW Snappel may be

    dissapointed to know that one of the routes of access to get to Victoria Tower has been well and truly scuppered from the North side

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    "Buildings of Liverpool" had so many

    mistakes.
    Treat yourself to "Liverpool" by Joseph Sharples (2004, Yale University Press).
    It's only 9.99 and is one of the "Pevsner Architectural

    Guides".
    BTW, 6 sides to the Stanley clock tower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    "Buildings of Liverpool" had so many mistakes.
    Treat yourself to "Liverpool" by Joseph Sharples (2004, Yale

    University Press).
    It's only 9.99 and is one of the "Pevsner Architectural Guides".
    BTW, 6 sides to the Stanley clock tower.
    Thanks

    Phil.
    One of their worst mistakes was including the same chapter twice!
    Apart from that, what are their other mistakes? I've missed

    them.

    Cheers,
    Dave

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    Dave,

    you can still get there from the south as far as I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouserdave View Post
    Thanks Phil.
    One of their worst mistakes was including the same chapter twice!
    Apart from

    that, what are their other mistakes? I've missed them.

    Cheers,
    Dave
    Oh God, off the top of my head???
    I can't find my copy (and

    I haven't read it in years), but I made lots of notes.
    What annoyed me so much was it said about so many buildings: "The building is Victorian" when

    other sources knew the exact dates.
    It said the Crane Building was Victorian (It was built 1913-15). It was also designed by W Aubrey Thomas (he of the

    Royal Liver Building) which they didn't know.
    Check the Lord Street Arcade - does it say that was another W Aubrey Thomas building, and that it opened in

    1901?
    So many other buildings where the architects (and dates) have always been known weren't credited with the architects (or dates).
    OK, perhaps

    they aren't all mistakes, but it still shows that the book wasn't researched very well.
    The classic mistake was showing a drawing of the 1930s meeting

    room which is next to the Ancient Chapel, and identifying it as the Ancient Chapel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    BTW, 6 sides to the Stanley clock tower.
    Yep. It's a six

    sided eight day clock. I'll ask my Da about it tomorrow as he used to work on the Nothern Dock's in the 50's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    Oh God, off the top of my head???
    I can't find my copy (and I haven't read it in years), but I made lots of notes.
    What annoyed

    me so much was it said about so many buildings: "The building is Victorian" when other sources knew the exact dates.
    The classic mistake was showing a

    drawing of the 1930s meeting room which is next to the Ancient Chapel, and identifying it as the Ancient Chapel!
    There's a drawing of

    Toxteth Unitarian Chapel in the book which matches up with a photo of "Ancient Chapel of Toxteth" at

    http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverp...chapel%201.htm

    There's no mention whatsoever in the book, describing it as

    "the Ancient Chapel" It would help if you have the book at hand like I have, rather than recalling from your memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.D.Williams View Post
    Yep. It's a six sided eight day

    clock. I'll ask my Da about it tomorrow as he used to work on the Nothern Dock's in the 50's.
    Eh - 8 day clock? Please explain I don't get

    it?

    Fascinating building though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorhemp View Post
    Eh - 8 day clock? Please explain I don't get it?

    Fascinating building

    though.
    It needed winding up every eight days I suppose?


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    Quote Originally Posted by scouserdave View Post
    There's a drawing of Toxteth Unitarian Chapel in the book which

    matches up with a photo of "Ancient Chapel of Toxteth" at http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverp...chapel%201.htm



    There's no mention whatsoever in the book, describing it as "the Ancient Chapel" It would help if you have the book at hand like I have, rather than

    recalling from your memory.
    Thank you for using a "Disgust" smilie.
    I don't know why you have to be so objectionable.
    It it

    obvious that you don't know the difference between the Meeting Room which was built in the 1930s, and the Ancient Chapel which is next door (and anything uo

    to 300 years older).
    The photo you link to shows the Meeting Room on the left, and the Ancient Chapel to the right.
    The drawing in "Buildings of

    Liverpool" (which I don't have to hand, but remember very well), shows the meeting room.
    Which is what I said in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snappel View Post
    Dave, you can

    still get there from the south as far as I know.
    No probs from the south, but I used to drive straight into the docks and park up next to the

    Sandon Half Tide Docks where I have a few mates who look after the MV Loach. It was just a quick jump across the dock railings and a spin around to get to

    the other side of the gates. They've recently put up a metal sheet to prevent you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.D.Williams View Post
    It needed winding up every eight days I suppose?



    LOL!

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