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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    As far as the Ordnance Survey maps are concerned the earliest I've seen after the war are from the late 1940s.
    They're in the LRO, and are detailed enough to show air-raid shelters.
    Ask for the 50-inch series.
    These will probably be at Sandhills, but you have to book 24 hours in advance.

    Tel: 0151 233 5817
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    Brilliant Mart

    What a find. I agree the Yates family are the friends she is talking about.

    This is superb. Do you think I could add this to the website?

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    its from a copyright video "Merseyside At War", I suppose you could and if they ask you to take it off, then delete it.
    I don't see any harm in it it promotes their Video / DVD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    These will probably be at Sandhills, but you have to book 24 hours in advance.

    Tel: 0151 233 5817
    Fax: 0151 233 5824
    Email: archives@liverpool.gov.uk
    Cheers for that.

    The LRO has looked and found nothing. They say I can come in and look at any map. I have an email for contact with then now.

    As they say for security its doubtful that Shelters were put on maps.

    I was talking to an old lady yesterday who says it was where the Green was. She says the path on the GREEn goes into a triangle and that is on or very near to where the shelter stood. It was the old continuation of THomas Drive it was on,with Edge Lane drive behind it.

    I believe the Shelter Jimmy has mentioned would have been for workers at the factory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmtmaj View Post
    This is a clip from "Merseyside at War", Kitty Ellis, describes where the shelter was, opposite Broadgreen Hospital, which would ore than likelybe, The Green and mentions her friends, probably the list of names below, from Tony's site

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    ANNIE YATES
    died 03/05/1941, aged 32.
    of 7 Statton Road, Edge Lane Drive, Broad Green. Daughter of Timothy Edward and Sarah Jane Lucas; wife of James Henry Yates. Died at Rocket Shelter, Broad Green.

    MABEL YATES
    died 03/05/1941, aged 18 Months.
    Aged 18 months; of 7 Statton Road, Edge Lane Drive, Broad Green. Daughter of James Henry and Annie Yates. Died at Rocket Shelter, Broad Green.

    MARGERY YATES
    died 03/05/1941, aged 8.
    of 7 Statton Road, Edge Lane Drive, Broad Green. Daughter of James Henry and Annie Yates. Died at Rocket Shelter. Broad Green.

    JAMES HENRY YATES
    died 06/05/1941, aged 32.
    Firewatcher; of 7 Statton Road, Edge Lane Drive, Broad Green. Husband of Annie Yates. Injured 3 May 1941, at Rocket Shelter, Broad Green; died at Broad Green Emergency Hospital.

    JAMES HENRY YATES
    died 14/11/1941, aged 11.
    of 7 Stratton Road, Broad Green, Liverpool. Son of James Henry and Annie Yates. Injured 3 May 1941, at Rocket Shelter, Broad Green; died at Royal Infirmary.

    http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.c...t-shelter.html

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    The Green. Built and laid out in the 1950s after the air raid shelter was removed. This is the point where the paths merge.



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    There has been mentions of a triangle, where the Shelter was.
    IF, you go left from where the pic above is, on Google maps, there is still triangle of "green", maybe it was there ?

    Anyway, Spike I have emailed you with the contact details of the gentleman who wrote the letter in the Echo, last year.
    He will gladly speak with you, concerning this and anything else you would like to know.
    He was about 10 at the time but remembers it well, he remembers how guilty his father was about directing a neighbour to this Shelter, just before the direct hit.

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    Brilliant Mart. This is great news. Norman is my new best friend

    Great detective work Mart
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    Has this page on your site been updated ?
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    Where are all the posts?
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    This is so interesting , i have been showing this to my little girl . It's also very sad seeing the names of some of the dead too .
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    No Ged.

    Loads of replies have gone off this thread. The map has gone?
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    Yes, just looked back. Where has it gone?
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    this one ?
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    Yeah, who deleted it, have you nicked it from somewhere and they've complained?
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    More stuff has gone as well.
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    Ok this thread has lost some of its post? You cant trust these ruddy mods on here

    To get back on track.

    Me and Mart have been doing a bit of digging ( not under the flyover )

    Mart got in touch with a guy called Norman who was 10 during the bombing. He has given us some memories of back then and placed the shelter on a Triangle bit of ground thay stood where the Flyover is now. The enterance was on Queens Drive.

    I talked to a lady called Betty who was 6 back then. She recalls the shelter was to the left of the Gardeners Arms pub where the green is.

    -A newspaper letter mentions the shelter was on Triangle ground between Edge Lane Drive and Queens Drive.

    A story by Hilda on the site says." There were many tragic bombings very close to us. Many young people died in a large underground public shelter on Queen's Drive near Broadgreen Road "

    And the Lady who worked at Broadgreen Hospital who mentions it was outside there on Queens drive.

    Ok we are happy with the location. 3 triangles of land appear on maps at that area. One was for the old bridge over Edge land Drive and its not on the 1942 map so its not that one, plus that was built for the bridge. 2 left. One is behind the Gardeners pub, though not bordered by Queens drive or Edge Lane drive.

    So only one left. The 1942 Map shows it running along Queens drive and Edge Lane drive. We have our location. Part of the triangle is still there now used for the Traffic lights by the flyover. The photo below is looking towards its. The flats of the Green are to the left of this photo ( not seen )



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    Then Mart got a mate to impose a new map over the 1942 map so we can see what has happened to the triangle. Part is under the flyover, but bits are left at the traffic lights and on the corner of the Green flats on Queens Drive, where they have left a bit of land with a big tree on it ( to the far left on photo above ) why did they leave this?


    http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.c...t-shelter.html

    You can see the Maps on here. The page is under construction so bear with it. Lots more to add yet.
    Anyway we are happy that this is the location, it all fits.

    I will get along for some pics soon.
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    http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.c...t-shelter.html

    A few pics and some more info added.
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    Thanks Spike such an interesting post.

    Do you have any information on Ash Grove, Wavertree which took a direct bomb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane Louise View Post
    Thanks Spike such an interesting post.

    Do you have any information on Ash Grove, Wavertree which took a direct bomb?
    I have put the deaths on the website http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.c...ings-1940.html

    Scroll down to 29th November. It was called Ashfield. It was hit in the same raid that hit Durning Road. I have some newspaper details for it but have not added them yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    I have put the deaths on the website http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.c...ings-1940.html

    Scroll down to 29th November. It was called Ashfield. It was hit in the same raid that hit Durning Road. I have some newspaper details for it but have not added them yet.
    Thanks Spike, the Knowles family are related on my dad's side of the family. I saw them on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site.

    Very nice to see them on your site, keep up your sterling work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane Louise View Post
    Thanks Spike, the Knowles family are related on my dad's side of the family. I saw them on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site.

    Very nice to see them on your site, keep up your sterling work!
    Another lady contacted me who is related to them.

    Did you ever see the story about them in the Echo? I have it, with pics of some of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Another lady contacted me who is related to them.

    Did you ever see the story about them in the Echo? I have it, with pics of some of them.
    No I didn't but I would like to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane Louise View Post
    Thanks Spike such an interesting post.

    Do you have any information on Ash Grove, Wavertree which took a direct bomb?
    Mart has scanned the newspaper.

    Ive emailed it to you.
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    Does anyone know of the shelter under / within Botanic Gardens by Botanic Road Wavertree

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    The one attached to the Littlewoods Building ?
    Its partially under the park ?

    http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html

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