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    Went past the Eldon Grove flats on saturday with 3 other Yo members. As the gate was open we went inside for a few pics.

    It is so sad to see such a wonderful building in this sorry state. A large section of the roof is fire damaged. Most windows are broken. Such a shame. Now it seems not to be locked up the damage may get worse.


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    Belter photos Spike. It's such a shame that these will probably end up becoming so dilapidated as to do anything with them.
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    Mart took some pics. He may post them up.
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    Here's an earlier thread on them too:

    http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/sho...ht=eldon+grove


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    Cheers Ged

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    As much as I also hate period properties being demolished we have to be realist here and say that it would cost too much to bring it back to its former glory,if the building was profitable if done up then fine but if there's no profit to be made on it then knock it down...sorry but its like having a car thats 90 rusted its pointless spending good dosh on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgePorgie View Post
    As much as I also hate period properties being demolished we have to be realist here and say that it would cost too much to bring it back to its former glory,if the building was profitable if done up then fine but if there's no profit to be made on it then knock it down...sorry but its like having a car thats 90 rusted its pointless spending good dosh on it.
    Knock Eldon Grove down ?....
    thats it... I've heard the lot now.....


    Its a good job people never had them views when the Albert Dock was in a worse state than Eldon Grove full of holes due to bomb damage...
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    Great pictures Spike. I thought Eldon Grove was being refurbished. Looking at those pictures it looks like this was started at sometime, and then left. The building will be left to rot now, given the current economic crisis.

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    I can't understand why it was left to get in such a state. It should have been refurbished long ago. It would be a lovely building done up to it's former glory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burkhilly View Post
    Great pictures Spike. I thought Eldon Grove was being refurbished. Looking at those pictures it looks like this was started at sometime, and then left. The building will be left to rot now, given the current economic crisis.
    No, not necessarily, BH! We're all in the Big Society now! We don't have to wait for 'them' to do stuff for us any more! We're all going to rush over there and offer our services as volunteers, aren't we?... Aren't we? Well, you see, central government might just be so impressed with our efforts that they'll cough up lots of lovely money, won't they? Why doesn't anyone believe this???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerard Fleming View Post
    Knock Eldon Grove down ?....
    thats it... I've heard the lot now.....


    Its a good job people never had them views when the Albert Dock was in a worse state than Eldon Grove full of holes due to bomb damage...

    It's hard to believe but Eldon Grove isn't Listed.
    One of the lamp-posts is.

    Albert Dock.
    Joseph Sharples says on p104 in his book 'Liverpool':
    "Demolition was a threat from 1960 as a myriad of development proposals came and went."

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    They have been modernised,in the past,as I was offered a flat there in the early 80's!I was warned off by the caretaker,who said he was too frightened to stay in his own flat,overnight!!!!!

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    great pics i may have a look at this sometime this week

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    As the last surviving (just about) of their type - and there were quite a few in Vauxhall, Everton and Dingle. The council should try and save these. A developer did get the top block sorted but I think he was relying on the sale of his showflat to continue the project but I suspect that living on a building site might have been one reason for putting of prospective buyers.

    The flats were sadly set alight on 27th September last year and my nephew took these photos.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    .....Albert Dock.
    Joseph Sharples says on p104 in his book 'Liverpool':
    "Demolition was a threat from 1960 as a myriad of development proposals came and went."

    From page 104 where Sharples also mentions...?

    "The dock was initially a great success, specializing (with a Z) in the Far East trade..." blah blah blahhh...

    I'm well aware of what Sharples says thanks, I've got the book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    It's hard to believe but Eldon Grove isn't Listed.
    One of the lamp-posts is.

    Albert Dock.
    Joseph Sharples says on p104 in his book 'Liverpool':
    "Demolition was a threat from 1960 as a myriad of development proposals came and went."
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmtmaj View Post
    I ain't got that book Philip, so thanks for posting
    You're welcome, Martin.

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    Listed lampost ?
    Took pics in 2008 when quite a lot of work had been done on refurbishing, new p v c windows etc. it appears they run out of money
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    I think there's one the other end too

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    Hi Mart. I think the one in Joe's first pic is Limekiln Lane end then the one in the last pic is Titchfield st end.
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    It's the one at Limekiln Lane that's Listed, although they both seem in the same condition to me.

    Perhaps English Heritage sent the same blind person who turned down the Bedford Cinema.

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    2 pics from 1913. What a gem this is, it needs saving.

    Spot the Lamp post in the pic.
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    A few Grade II structures are recorded under Bevington Street:
    West Block and attached railings.
    Central Block and attached railings
    Eastern Block and attached railings
    Bevington Street / Limekiln Lane Railings and piers to Bevington St. Recreation Ground.

    Limekiln Lane (w side), street lamp between Eldon Grove and Bevington St.
    Titchfield Street, street lamp between Eldon Grove and Bevington Street
    The lamps were listed before the buildings. (1975 Vs 1993).

    Part of the listing for the West Block states "forms a group with the railings to the recreation ground and lamp standards."

    Edit: Just noticed Spikes pictures above...that looks like a rare drinking fountain/lamp combination. The Listing does mention this:
    "Cast iron. Large and high square plinth with Greek key ornament, and formerly with drinking fountain on 2 sides. Lamp stands above this high plinth, with splayed base ornamented with foliage pattern and with corner feet: fluted high columns with two ornamented arms holding lamp. Now in front of tarmac play area, with similar lamp at opposite side (see Titchfield Street)"

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    Nice pics Joe and Ged.

    Shame it get set on fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marky View Post
    A few Grade II structures are recorded under Bevington Street:
    West Block and attached railings.
    Central Block and attached railings
    Eastern Block and attached railings
    Bevington Street / Limekiln Lane Railings and piers to Bevington St. Recreation Ground.

    Limekiln Lane (w side), street lamp between Eldon Grove and Bevington St.
    Titchfield Street, street lamp between Eldon Grove and Bevington Street
    The lamps were listed before the buildings. (1975 Vs 1993).

    Part of the listing for the West Block states "forms a group with the railings to the recreation ground and lamp standards."

    Edit: Just noticed Spikes pictures above...that looks like a rare drinking fountain/lamp combination. The Listing does mention this:
    "Cast iron. Large and high square plinth with Greek key ornament, and formerly with drinking fountain on 2 sides. Lamp stands above this high plinth, with splayed base ornamented with foliage pattern and with corner feet: fluted high columns with two ornamented arms holding lamp. Now in front of tarmac play area, with similar lamp at opposite side (see Titchfield Street)"

    Thanks, Marky.
    I must have seen the old list.
    You're always better than me at finding information.

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    I did wonder why 'Eldon Grove' doesn't appear...it doesn't seem to exist as an address. It's not on Google maps.

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    Try Eldon Place as it sometimes comes under that name.
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