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    Default Why is genealogy search site charging when the persons you look for are long ago dead?

    I've been doing family search for the past 3years and Ancestry gave 3 days free due to a special they were doing. Many other site say they are "free", but when you get in that site and start to search they cut you off and ask for money. It should be either free as they offer or just state that you have to pay instead of tricking people


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    Hello roymusto, and to quote brother Smokey, " I second that emotion".
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    I expect they go to the lengths of collating all the information ,masses of it, and rightly wanting paying for it?????
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    You don't have to pay for it on the internet.

    You are perfectly free to take a car/train/bus to the National Archives in Kew, or Preston Record Office or St Arseend of Nowhere's Church and look for the records yourself for free.

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    For any who find the information and advice on the Yo! Liverpool forum useful and/or beneficial in any way I understand that 'Kev' accepts donations to help with the upkeep of this valuable local/national/global asset.

    ---------- Post added at 11:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:07 AM ----------

    [dear friends. The above should not be read to imply that the said 'Kev' (administrator/owner) and me have had any financial dealings. I too am pennyless and shameful.]
    Why would you think that I have spent my morning reading legal documents?

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    A timely intervention brother O., my initial reply to roymusto's post was made on the spur of the moment, in response to his apparent bewilderment at the behaviour of some conglomerate search organisation, and not of our own facilities here on Yo!.
    As I myself have been the recipient of the help and largesse of some of the generous and helpful members here with my own genealogical projects, I am mortified to think that I could be seen to be anything uther than grateful in the extreme for their erndeavours and hard work on my behalf.
    Were it not for my seemingly permanent position of penuriousness, I would gladly shove a few shekels in the direction of our Leader.
    Before these waters become any murkier, I shall exit,head bowed .
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    The LDS records on-line are still free.

    They are good on Scottish church records, with their missionaries microfilming all of the church books in the 60's, and later putting them on-line.

    https://beta.familysearch.org/

    ...and they don't try and convert you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by az_gila View Post
    The LDS records on-line are still free.

    They are good on Scottish church records, with their missionaries microfilming all of the church books in the 60's, and later putting them on-line.

    https://beta.familysearch.org/

    ...and they don't try and convert you...
    What I remember of the Church of Scotland; there was dam-nation in all things. That all were dam-ned if they did and dam-ned if they didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oudeis View Post
    What I remember of the Church of Scotland; there was dam-nation in all things. That all were dam-ned if they did and dam-ned if they didn't.
    Maybe... but it got pretty close to 100% of the population in the 1800's into the births and marriages book of the parish register....
    For some reason the recording of deaths came later.

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    More general records rather than parish it appears...

    http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/co...aspx?r=554&402

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    nowt wrong with paying for info, fairs fair

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekips View Post
    nowt wrong with paying for info, fairs fair
    How true. Imagine the cost to travel from Liverpool to Kew. One problem
    is very few sites contain all the info,ie, you may want a record and you are
    a member of Ancestry, the record isn't there, but it is on find my past but
    to get it you have to subscribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oudeis View Post
    More general records rather than parish it appears...

    http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/co...aspx?r=554&402
    But only after 1855... from the web site -

    The statutory registers comprise the official records of births, marriages and deaths in Scotland from 1 January 1855 when civil registration replaced the old system of registration by parishes of the Established Church (Church of Scotland).

    Before that it was church based, and all of those records are free on the LDS web site. I also think that maybe 1855 was when the deaths were recorded.

    Scotlandspeople charges for access.

    In the 70's my father paid reseachers to find family history directly from the Scottish records (pre-internet......)

    When the entire records became available on-line, it was obvious that some of these paid researchers did not do a good job, and omitted, didn't follow links or slightly distorted the data.

    Looking at his letters, the entire process took much longer by mail...

    Going to the LDS center in Los Angeles - only a few miles from where I lived - was a bit faster, but scrolling through microfilm was tedious.

    We have got our family traced back to around 1670, but church records got destroyed around that time with the dispute that created the Church of Scotland...

    Hooray for the Internet....

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    Quote Originally Posted by roymusto View Post
    I've been doing family search for the past 3years and Ancestry gave 3 days free due to a special they were doing. Many other site say they are "free", but when you get in that site and start to search they cut you off and ask for money. It should be either free as they offer or just state that you have to pay instead of tricking people
    I received 14 days free on Ancestry, no probs! You provide your credit/debit card details and in return receive your free period, if you decide not to proceed, contact the company before the free period expires and you are not charged... simples! Otherwise you are signed up for a further 12 months and your card is then debited.
    Never put anyone on a pedestal... THEY'LL LOOK DOWN ON YOU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roymusto View Post
    I've been doing family search for the past 3years and Ancestry gave 3 days free due to a special they were doing. Many other site say they are "free", but when you get in that site and start to search they cut you off and ask for money. It should be either free as they offer or just state that you have to pay instead of tricking people
    There are are some useful sites that are free,though not fully complete....yet!

    http://www.freereg.org.uk/search/index.htm
    http://www.freecen.org.uk/
    http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
    http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/
    http://www.rootschat.com
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....com/~hibernia/

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    I use 8 FREE sites for research....do you want to post a name/dob/.....or whatever /whoever you are looking for...?....for instance
    www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html then put in name /year....you may be lucky and that particular persons Church Parish Records are recorded....goes back to 1500`s....even before the English Civil War......it`s knowing where to look.....allan

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    I find it so frustrating that it's a good job I had massive help of one particular Yoer.

    I've even searchhed for pretty recent records which are not archived yet - I mean my own and my parents are not even to be found. I can understand them starting with the earliest first. By the way. I do know who I am, it was just out of curiosity that I looked for myself
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    t was just out of curiosity that I looked for myself
    Ged,has'nt anyone told you that you can't find your own past...this has to be done by someone in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I find it so frustrating that it's a good job I had massive help of one particular Yoer.

    I've even searchhed for pretty recent records which are not archived yet - I mean my own and my parents are not even to be found. I can understand them starting with the earliest first. By the way. I do know who I am, it was just out of curiosity that I looked for myself
    Don't various privacy laws prevent archiving of recent data?

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    Not sure. You can access the voting/polling records/burials/street listings right up until the 80s at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I find it so frustrating that it's a good job I had massive help of one particular Yoer.

    I've even searchhed for pretty recent records which are not archived yet - I mean my own and my parents are not even to be found. I can understand them starting with the earliest first. By the way. I do know who I am, it was just out of curiosity that I looked for myself
    So who are you....exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Not sure. You can access the voting/polling records/burials/street listings right up until the 80s at least.
    I guess the US is the same for the records you mention, but they are fairly local - state/county/town/voting district.

    The overall country wide data at the US Census apparently has a 72 year policy - my highlight -

    In keeping with the Census Bureau's commitment to confidentiality, the Census Bureau information collected in the Decennial Census of Population and Housing on individuals does not become available to the public until after 72 years.

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