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    Hi there,

    Newbie on here and have read several fascinating accounts of underground passageways beneath Renshaw Street on this forum. Having poured over old maps of the area, it got me thinking whether they had some link to when Central Station was built and the approach excavated nearby in the 1800's, maybe storage facilities? I have no idea how to (legally) get any closer to these underground streets but would love any detailed info on them from anybody in the know? Also, just off topic, bit of a long shot, if anybody knows if there are any etchings, drawings available anywhere of the arcades (Roscoe Arcade and Howard Arcade) which once stood on the ground where Central Station approach is now. Cheers


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    Hi micnic, welcome to Yo!

    Here's an OS map from 1848 [LRO] showing both arcades. I haven't seen any paintings, or sketches of the arcades. There may be something in the Herdman archive?

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    Hi Micnic,welcome to Yo! There used to be a great site"Underground Liverpool", run by one of the posters on here (Fortinian?) but it's at least, temporarily defunct! It showed pic's of various tunnels,and caverns,and other underground oddities,though I don't remember any mention of the arcades in question?

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    Yeah, I remember seeing the photographs of the supposed underground streets but as you say, the site is no longer available. Looking at old maps and accounts of the whole area, Renshaw Street was once a ropewalk and pretty much unbuilt upon until the early 1800's so I'm stumped as to how an underground street could exist beneath the area around The Dispensary pub as the buildings presently there are presumably the originals (correct me if I'm wrong). This leads me to speculate that if they do exist then they must be forgotton cellars or maybe even underground passageways branching off from Central Stations former above ground railway line, for railworkers use maybe. But then why would an underground passageway which has never seen the light of day have windows and window ledges????

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    I recently attended a Paranormal Investigation with a company called Night Vision Investigations, they have access to an underground street beneath Lime Street. Either side of the street look like old tenaments, part of the slums. There are bars on all of the windows too. It's an amazing place so even if you aren't interested in the Paranormal I would definatly go along to see the street. They're doing another one on 4th December which I'm going on again this time with a few curious friends!

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    I smell a scam here - and in the other two threads that have appeared on a similar topic, viz underground streets, etc... But I'd be delighted to be proved wrong!

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    I've never heard of streets under Liverpool, and I'm pretty sure I'd remember. If today was 1st April...............well!

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    Websites are archived and it may still be possible to access a now defunct website via this website... http://www.archive.org/index.php

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    Ok, how do I upload photo's on here then and I'll add them for you to see. If you listen to City Talk on Sunday at 8pm you'll hear the investigation I was on as they recorded it for Zone Unknown with Roy Bassnet.

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    Add them into photobucket or flickr, copy the link from there and paste it in your reply box or if it doesn't have [img] at the front and end of the link click on the image icon in your reply and paste the link details in there.

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    http://www.flickr.com/photos/5608869...n/photostream/

    I've added a few to flickr, I haven't got any pics of the fireplace unfortunately but when I go back I'll take some then. The quality isn't great due to the dust but you can get a rough idea of what it's like. Each room or shop ( whatever it was) had a second floor as you can see the posts where it would have been. Also some of the photos where taken from the rooms looking out into the back ally.

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    cupcake, can you remember which building you entered on Lime Street?
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    Pic 101_2428 top window is the one in the pic here,the window can be seen just above the silver cars roof in the pic....

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    cupcake, can you remember which building you entered on Lime Street?
    I've asked twice,Dazza...still no answer.

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    I think you're right George, there's no other building on Lime Street it can be. Well done.
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    I smell a scam here - and in the other two threads that have appeared on a similar topic, viz underground streets, etc... But I'd be delighted to be proved wrong!
    Me toodrumming up interest for the ghostbusters?

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    I think you're right George, there's no other building on Lime Street it can be. Well done.
    Its the hotel alright...at first I thought it might of been the "Adelphi" but the windows in the ghostbusters link didn't tali with the Adelphi's so that left only one other large building on Lime street and that was the NWHotel,sure enought the window was identicle and the arch ones at street level too.
    Then cupcakes pic of the street level one and you could see daylight around its perimeter,the ghostbusters pics must have been when the boards over the windows where up as now they are showing the windows without boards in ooogle streetview.

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    1848/64 OS of Lime Street, [LRO].

    I've highlighted the yet-to-be-built-site of the NW Hotel, which was shown on George's photos earlier. This map dates to before the hotel was built, and shows that Lime Street station tracks travelled beneath the site of the hotel.

    The now former hotel is today used as student accommodation for John Moore's uni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    1848/64 OS of Lime Street, [LRO].

    I've highlighted the yet-to-be-built-site of the NW Hotel, which was shown on George's photos earlier. This map dates to before the hotel was built, and shows that Lime Street station tracks travelled beneath the site of the hotel.

    The now former hotel is today used as student accommodation for John Moore's uni.

    [Keep 'clicking' on the image to zoom-in on the detail].

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    Any further info on the Schools for the Indigent Blind, please Dazza? I had no idea that Children in Need went that far back, but I see it was sited in Pudsey Street, presumably named as a tribute to those generous benefactors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    1848/64 OS of Lime Street, [LRO].

    I've highlighted the yet-to-be-built-site of the NW Hotel, which was shown on George's photos earlier. This map dates to before the hotel was built, and shows that Lime Street station tracks travelled beneath the site of the hotel.

    The now former hotel is today used as student accommodation for John Moore's uni.

    [Keep 'clicking' on the image to zoom-in on the detail].

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    So would the whole of that site have been the station? There's nothing down there that could be to do with the station but there is an area which is on the upper part of one of the buildings which looks like an old toilets, very ornate, with a tiled mosaic floor. Looking at your map it was probably the old station toilets. The street level is infront of that though so would be under what used to be the hotel. I've got pics of the toilets, I'll put them up later for you to see.

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    The toilets as far as I remember? went down a flight of tiled stairs,if mem serves me right they cuved in an declining arc fashion.

    Used to hate going down underground lavvies as a kid because there where some dity old men knocking about.

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    Here's what some of the station used to look like in the 50's that underground exploration you went on would have gone from Lord Nelson Street end right through to the station end.

    In pick eight the toilets where right at the end corner.
    http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...26tbs%3Disch:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Doh View Post
    Any further info on the Schools for the Indigent Blind, please Dazza? I had no idea that Children in Need went that far back, but I see it was sited in Pudsey Street, presumably named as a tribute to those generous benefactors...
    There's a plan of the school and further info on the link below. The school dates from 1800 [the London Road site] and was designed by John Foster Jnr. The building was later demolished. The site is now occupied by the Odeon cinema.

    No mention of 'Pudsey' though. :-(

    http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/...on/rushton.htm
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