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    Colin Mcindoe emailed me in reply to a recent blog where he reminisced about his Liverpool schooldays and remembered a short verse he had gleaned from the 1962 Sphinx – that slightly risque Panto magazine that students sold as part of their Rag Week charity drive.“I wandered lonely as a cloud that floats on high [...]

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    Great pic' Colin! I think I did read about why,rag-week came to an end,but can't now remember?? I've still got a "Pantosphinx" programme from 1976,somewhere,and I think they ended a few years later!

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    It is not a satisfying search at all.

    It began about 1900 (late Victorian) it began either as Cambridge students collecting rags to clothe the poor(?) or in the selling of bits of rag on which poetry had been written the proceeds of this sale going to the poor/charity.
    The idea that RAG means 'raising and giving' is a back-formation from the habit above.

    I shall keep this topic in mind and if I come across anything else I shall post it here.

    ---------- Post added at 10:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:15 PM ----------

    Liverpool Hope University has this to say...

    "The RAG (Raising and Giving) Society, which organizes fun events such as drama performances and trips to Europe (in Halloween costumes!) to raise money for charity.
    - The Irish Society- Liverpool Hope's large Irish community holds lots of events throughout the year, promoting Irish culture and sports. The Society puts on a huge St Patrick's Day party, complete with live traditional music.
    - The Drama Society performs regularly at the Cornerstone campus, so whether you are a seasoned performer or a raw beginner, you'll be able to take to the stage!
    - The Bio Diversity group monitors and maintains the wildlife and flora at Liverpool Hope's campuses. Regular surveys and walks take place throughout the year.
    - The Political Debating Society - This group meets regularly to debate the political issues of the day, as well as host prominent guests such as representatives of the three major British political parties. Recently they welcomed a Member of European Parliament to speak to the group."

    here...

    http://www.goabroad.com/providers/li...iverpool-67199

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    Not quite what I was looking for, but something you would enjoy...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/conte..._feature.shtml

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    Hi all

    I had forgotten about "Rag Week" and can remember them from my teenage years in Liverpool during the Sixties. One bit of humor that I can remember that I may have mentioned here before is that the students rigged up a mannequin or else had a live female student with a pillow under her dress to make her look way along in pregnancy. The girl or mannequin was standing near the Adelphi pointing across the road at Epstein's famous statue of "Liverpool Resurgent" -- of course the famous nude statue on the prow at the corner of Lewis's. Maybe that also points out why Rag Day or Rag Week is no longer... it was politically incorrect in some respects, too off-color for today's starchy world. I remember that the students put out mags that had political satire and other humor. They are probably collector's items today if anybody still has any.

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    I remember rag week from the 1960's and 70's. the rag mag was always full of mostly quite rude cartoons and jokes !!

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    Still got half a dozen of these.
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    I took some good pictures of the 1966 and 1967 Panto Parades, but they are now it too poor a condition to copy.

    I have already arranged to get better copies from the Guild Gazette archives when I'm back in Liverpool next Feb.

    I post them here when I get them - looking back, the creativity and work put into the floats by the students was quite amazing...

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    I always thought that the term "Rag" in rag week was from "ragging" i.e. taking the ****.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by danensis View Post
    I always thought that the term "Rag" in rag week was from "ragging" i.e. taking the ****.

    John
    Maybe it is a language thing. A sort of 'urinary tract inflection'.

    It could be worse though.

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    I think I`ve posted this before,the students rag parade in St Georges place late 1950`s early `60s
    Taken with an Ilford Envoy camera
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    Hi,

    I realise this thread is over a year old but I came across it while doing a bit of research! I'm currently the President of the RAG society at the University of Liverpool. From what I can gather, RAG at the Liverpool of Uni was a pretty well established society until 2004/05, it then 'disappeared' until 2007 when it was re-established here, but has still been quite small ever since in comparison to RAG Societies at other Universities.
    Having had a rummage through our RAG Office, I've found some really interesting stuff; a whole back log of RAG mags, and articles and photos from the 30's of what was then PantoWeek. Since RAG has been pretty small over the past few years, we're planning to re-launch it and re-launch Rag Week at Liverpool Uni. We plan to do a collection in town every day for one week (in March) in Panto costumes, and are planning on organising a Pantomime in the Guild, we will also be re-creating past fundraising events.
    What I would love to do, is have a big event displaying old photos of Rag Week, any old articles or video footage, and I was wondering if any of you had any such things! Or even if you just want to share some stories or memories of Rag Week that would be really great! I think its about time RAG Week came back to Liverpool Uni!
    Thank you,
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    Jane that idea to bring back Rag week & Panto day seems to be a great idea, providing you can raise adequate funding. there should be no shortage of participants with the enormous student population now resident in Liverpool .
    I remember the Floats were stored in yards in Crown Street prior to the procession , all manner of wagons were used including coal wagons, I have a Pantosphinx mag from about the Mid sixties I think. Some of the jokes are hilarious, if I recall correctly in this mag it stated Panto Balls would be held in both the Grafton ,Liverpool and the Tower Ballroom New Brighton . I will have to dig the issue out and have another read through. It would be great if you could post up some images from your Archive collections Jane

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    Quote Originally Posted by collegepudding View Post
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    I remember the Floats were stored in yards in Crown Street prior to the procession , all manner of wagons were used including coal wagons, I have a Pantosphinx mag from about the Mid sixties I think. Some of the jokes are hilarious, if I recall correctly in this mag it stated Panto Balls would be held in both the Grafton ,Liverpool and the Tower Ballroom New Brighton . ....
    To show how involved the floats were, here is the winning float from 1966 made by Gladstone Hall.

    IIRC it was built on a flat trailer (no power) and pulled by 50 students dressed as red indians.

    My photo from the Feb 22, 1966 Guild Gazette -

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    I apologize for the "picture of a picture" but the original was too large for my scanner. The final quality is not too bad though.

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    Great pic' Az! The 70's ragmag was called "Pantosfinx",and I think I've still got a copy.......somewhere!!

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    The planned events for 1966 as described in a Guild Gazette column -

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    Not a bad line up for the time with Gerry and the Pacemakers, the Hollies and The Who at multiple events. In those days big time national groups would play regional weekend events and be affordable.

    The ballroom locations are also quoted.

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    One of the great stunts was a group of Medical Students running through town with a student in a hospital bed and the ones pushing the bed dressed as doctors in white coats and lots of offal being thrown around livers and hearts etc so lots of screaming from onlookers. There was also a pram race one student in the pram one pushing which ended in chaos at the bottom of Bold St. and I think one of the reasons for stopping this great fund raising event was the infamous pub crawl when the students tried to visit as many pubs on a designated list and drink them dry around Liverpool 8. The Cracke Phil, Augustus John, Blackburn etc all made a donation. Strated about 10 in the morning and went on until closing time which used to be 10pm in those days.
    They also kidnapped a few people and held them to ransom you had to make a donation to get them released more famous the more money you had to pay- we held off getting the boss released for as long as we decently could. The students would just run in and whizz someone off,all over in a couple of minutes.Panto Ball I went to had Bonzo Dog Doda Band with Viv Whathisname and I am sure George Melly had something at the Royal Court another year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doris Mousdale View Post
    ....I think one of the reasons for stopping this great fund raising event was the infamous pub crawl when the students tried to visit as many pubs on a designated list and drink them dry around Liverpool 8. The Cracke Phil, Augustus John, Blackburn etc all made a donation. Strated about 10 in the morning and went on until closing time which used to be 10pm in those days.
    .....
    I remember two events, one was the Engineers Beer Race - a set course of of around 2 miles and about 8 pubs. Timed event, with a minimum time in each pub and time subtracted of your total time for each pint drunk after the first one at each pub. To make it trickier it was a partners race and you had to enter and leave each pub with your race partner - towards the end the less drunk one had to carry the other to the last pubs...

    Scoring was difficult beacuse the score keepers kept consuming beer at ther respective pub and couldn't read their writing...

    A separate event was the "drink the pub dry" and we actually did it one night by picking a small pub the day before their delivery. I think it was a little pub on Mulberry St. - does that sound right?

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    They were also paid NOT to visit some pubs. Free cheese and onion crusty cobs to soak up the beer at the Cracke and I remember Jimmy Moore at O'Connors getting in a pile of kebabs from the Greek restaurant by the police station( Georges?) and shutting the doors at 3pm and having a stay behind until 5.30 and then it all went off again. 10pm and it was STILL light when you came out the pub.Record keeping was rubbish but I remember one young student having 22 Manns Browns ( bottles)
    School of Tropical Medicine had some weird events too

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    Hello Doris

    You are thinking of Vivian Stanshall, the singer with Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band. Great memories... thanks!

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    Yes Chris,they played at one of the college dances.We lived in Liverpool 8 for years. Cathedral Mansions in Huskisson St.

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    I worked on the refurb of Cathedral Mansions about 20 years ago.

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    Some great reminiscences there! A bit before my time,but know some of the names, and places,especially Jimmy Moore,and the "Kebab House"!

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    We used to have collection of Rag mags - but not now. Must have eventually got rid of them in a clear out.

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    I had a collec....oh sorry, rag mags you said didn't you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I had a collec....oh sorry, rag mags you said didn't you
    Knowing you I bet your collection is stuck somewhere

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    They've been added to since you brought a load down to the meet up
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    Quote Originally Posted by GNASHER View Post
    I worked on the refurb of Cathedral Mansions about 20 years ago.
    what is it like now?
    When we were there Rod Jones a friend of John Lennon's lived at 2, the professor from Liverpool University who was shot in a Texas University lived at number 4 Roger McGough at 6 us at 8 and Maurice Cockrill the painter at 10 and Quentin Hughes the architect who wrote the book Seaport lived at 12 - he had a green Aston Martin BTW
    The caretaker, Mr Wartinski, who lived in the basement with his wife used to keep the boiler going to keep us all in hot water,the basement rooms ran under all of the houses like a rabbit warren.The garden at the back was shared but it was miles from the living room to the kitchen.The rooms were huge with very high ceilings. The landlord who owned the whole block was Mr Hands he lived down Ullet Road but took great interest in his tenants- very different now I would imagine. It was all very cool being so close to the university and Art College,town and of course the pubs.Interesting when it was throwing out time at the pub in Little St Bride St and the grocery shop around the corner with the Somali Social Club in the basement.Across the way in Gambier Terrace and Percy St. were lots more interesting locals a good mixed community.

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    Was Rod Jones an art lecturer ?

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    Found my copy of the '76 ragmag......hard to believe it was so long ago!
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