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    Default Court martials in Liverpool

    The photograph is of HMS Eagle in Brunswick Dock. It is a small photograph I picked up many years ago. Not particularly eyecatching as an image, it was only when I read the pencil note on the back that I realised that here was a forgotten history of Liverpool. The pencil note reads:Court martial held [...]

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    Great image Colin, thanks again.

    Is the berth Salthouse, rather than Brunswick dock?

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    Hi Dazza, The inscription says Brunswick - and the small bit of photographic info looks more like it. Your postcard is probably an earlier berthing - according to my research, HMS Eagle was moved to Brunswick in 1904.

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    Colin, it may help that I have found this...

    Admirality Courts Martial cases and files
    Series Reference ADM 156. I hope you can see the summery here...

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/c...method=5#admin

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    "Herbert, worried that they might try to scuttle the steamer, ordered his men to open fire with small arms, killing all except six on the Nicosian."

    Was this all men, British and German?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    "Herbert, worried that they might try to scuttle the steamer, ordered his men to open fire with small arms, killing all except six on the Nicosian."

    Was this all men, British and German?
    Were the British not by then in the life boats adrift?

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    While I'm here...

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    the bungles and struggles

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    Hi Waterways - it was just the Germans. They then sent Marines to the Nicosian to shoot the six Germans there. It was a very serious breach of international law and could have swung American opinion against joining the war. Coming a few weeks after the Lusitania's sinking, there was a heightened sense of outrage about events in the Irish Sea which perhaps explains Herbert's action.

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    Hi Oudeis, the Nicosian was an American ship, not British, but was carrying small arms etc to help the British effort. The Germans had ordered the crew into lifeboats and had intended to scuttle the ship before the Baralong got involved. Ironically, nothing would have been said about what had happened had the rescued Americans not alerted the American press.

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    HMS Eaglet (the modern land-base) has the following sculpture on one of its walls. It looks very similar to the mast-head of HMS Eagle. I don't have a close-up photograph of the ship (HMS Eagle) to be able to confirm.

    There are WW1 CWGC graves in Toxteth Park Cemetery to both HMS Eagle and HMS Eaglet. The name change during WW1 was a result of the name HMS Eagle being required for another ship, an aircraft carrier (HMS Eagle).

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