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    The Times, May 21st, 1789.
    A petiton to Parliament against the abolition of slavery.


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    The Times, Mar 24th, 1788.
    Public sale at the 4th Custom House, at the head of the Old Dock.

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    The Times, Feb 5th, 1789.
    Public sale at the 4th Custom House, at the head of the Old Dock.

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    Great, where did you get these from? Do you know which newspapers they were cut from?

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    Thanks goldenface. They're all from The Times, c.1788/89

    I'll post some more a little later.
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    Liverpool brokers, private sale, showing goods including Ivory.
    The Times, 1788, Mar 4,

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    Liverpool sends a petition of 13,520 signatures against the slave trade, due to the high motality rate of sailors who would crew guinea men [slave ships].
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    The Mercury, to set sail from Liverpool, bound for Naples.
    The Times, 1788, Jun 12

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    Liverpool guinea-men being refitted with guns following a dispute with Spain to protect British trade.
    The Times, 1790, Jul 20,

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    Mayoral contest between Mr Case, and Mr Blundell - riots break out in Liverpool with many skirmishes, leaving many wounded and one dead.
    The Times, 1791, Oct 24,

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    I'll never get used to S's looking like F's! Wonder when that changed? Interesting stuff/stuss,anyway,D!

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    Try saying " Suck A Lemon "

    Great reading these clippings
    BE NICE......................OR ELSE

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    Thanks Steve and Spike.


    Why do they substitute the letters "F" for "S"? What's odd is that they still use the letter "s" in some parts of the word, but not others? Some examples below:

    'Restrictions' is spelt "Reftrictions"

    'Vessels' is spelt "Veffels"

    'Great loss' is "Great lofs"

    'Seamen' is "feamen"

    'Several Skirmishes' is "feveral fkirmifhes"

    'Passengers' is "paffengers"





    Liverpool is also recorded as "Liverpoole" in 5th March 1788 Times edition, but "Liverpool" generally afterwards. Interestingly, Poole, in Dorset, still possesses it's end letter "e".


    I'll post some more later.
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    More snippets of byegone Liverpool life.







    The Times, 1803, Jan 20
    "A dreadful fire broke out...Lord street"

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    The Times, 1803, Sep 10
    Royal Prince to buy St. Domingo in Everton.

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    The Times, 1803, Nov 16
    "two persons...improper conduct and expressions....during a voyage" Whatever can this mean?

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    The Times, 1804, Mar 26
    Mr Sparling [prev. owner of St. Domingo House mentioned above] duel proceedings.

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    The Times, 1804 Oct 16
    Liverpool woman with counterfeit silver.

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    The Times, 1804 Dec 19
    The hare and St John's churchyard.

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    I'll have to try spend some time tranflating them ha ha ha

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    Post A Liverpool letter from 1831...

    ...spotted at a small Civil War museum in Grand Gulf Military State Park in Mississippi, just South of Vicksburg, on our trip last month.

    It is from Liverpool agent to a plantation owner discussing the markets in cotton, tobacco and wheat.

    In 1831, Liverpool was receiving 18,000 bales of cotton a week to keep the Northern mills going. Anyone know about how many ship loads that was?

    The museum manager was very helpful and took the letter out of it's clear cover and we photographed it in the sun outside. Alex Gordon who penned it had nice handwriting.

    I have some more pictures taken at the "other" Cotton Exchange in Memphis if any one is interested... the one that supplied the cotton to the Liverpool Cotton Exchange.

    Make sure you get the picture in it's full 2024 pixel resolution to read it...

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    Interesting az,

    No doubt all that cotton was picked by American slaves, as abolition would have followed later after the civil war.

    "The first American cotton was unloaded in Liverpool in 1784. There were only eight bags. Less than forty years later, half a million bales were arriving each year from America. Other countries also supplied cotton, including Brazil, Egypt and India. By 1850, cotton accounted for almost half of the city’s trade. Over 1.5 million bales were imported" Source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Interesting az,

    No doubt all that cotton was picked by American slaves, as abolition would have followed later after the civil war.
    Yes, that would be the case... We visted several Civil War battle sites on our trip, with Shiloh (at Savannah, TN) being the most interesting.
    It was the first bloody battle of the Civil War (141,000 soldiers, 17% casualities), and was an eye-opener for the rest of the country - very much like the posting today about the WWI battle of the Somme.

    The objective was control of the Mississippi river and the lifeline to the South. Near Shiloh is the battle site at Corinth, which was the crossroads of the two major train lines (E-W and N-S) of the time - another strategic objective. The track has been relaid several times, but the crossing is still there.

    Reading the labels on the exhibits at that museum reminded me of the museum in Quebec, Canada - it wasn't clear from the labels at either location who won the war...
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    Interesting tour az. Liverpool backed the Southern States, The Confederacy had the climate, the cotton plantations and free labour to support the mills back here in Lancashire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Interesting tour az. Liverpool backed the Southern States, The Confederacy had the climate, the cotton plantations and free labour to support the mills back here in Lancashire.
    Yes.. many of the museums we were in talked about Liverpool and the Confederate fleet - mentioned many times here on YO. Lots of references to the CSS Alabama - the blockade buster built in Birkenhead.


    The biggest Museum surprise was finding the Royal Armoury Museum in Louisville, Kentucky -

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    A long way from the Tower of London

    http://www.royalarmouries.org/home

    Perhaps the Queen did it in appreciation for racing her horses in Kentucky...

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    I wonder did the Conferate flag ever fly here in Liverpool? They had lots of support, and the business ties speak for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    I wonder did the Conferate flag ever fly here in Liverpool? They had lots of support, and the business ties speak for themselves.
    This web site sort of implies it did...

    http://www.whenliverpoolwasdixie.co.uk/index.html

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    The Confederate embassy/consulate was in Rumford place,so I imagine the flag flew outside! They were probably welcome customers to Liverpool business's,especially Laird's,who built the "Shenandoah" for them,which was,apparently,the most succesful warship....ever! This resulted in Liverpool having to pay compensation,for lost ship's,etc,after the war was over!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    The Confederate embassy/consulate was in Rumford place,so I imagine the flag flew outside! They were probably welcome customers to Liverpool business's,especially Laird's,who built the "Shenandoah" for them,which was,apparently,the most successful warship....ever! This resulted in Liverpool having to pay compensation,for lost ship's,etc,after the war was over!
    I think it was built in Scotland, but based in Liverpool. The CSS certainly surrendered to the British in Liverpool, but it also seemed that most of the Confederate Navy's crew were from Liverpool.

    http://www.csa-dixie.com/liverpool_dixie/shenandoah.htm

    Now the CSS Alabama was definitely built on the Mersey - it captured/burned 65 Union ships -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Alabama

    It got the most recognition in the Southern museums we went to, I'll see what pics from the trip I can dig out.

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    A Collection of clippings regarding the CSS Alabama.


    This one is from the Liverpool Albion copied in a Sheffield and Rotheram paper. The British Government sent out the screw-ship Shannon to keep the peace between the Confederate and Federal ships in British waters. Perhaps also to capture the mysterious "Hull 290"
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    From the Liverpool Mercury
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    From the Lancaster Gazette and General Advertiser she is now full armed and manned. Full steam ahead!
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    From the Dundee Courier The Fedral ship Tuscarora still can't catch the Alabama despite disguising itself as a Dutch ship.
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    From the Birmingham Daily Post
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    From the Glasgow Herald the Alabama in full action, taking two merchantmen.
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    From the London Daily Post an account of the Battle of Cherbourg where the Alabama was sunk.
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    You are right there,Az, it was the "Alabama" ,not the "Shenandoah" that was built at Laird's,but both pretty successful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    The Confederate embassy/consulate was in Rumford place,so I imagine the flag flew outside! They were probably welcome customers to Liverpool business's,especially Laird's,who built the "Shenandoah" for them,which was,apparently,the most succesful warship....ever! This resulted in Liverpool having to pay compensation,for lost ship's,etc,after the war was over!
    Hey Steve, it looks like a bit of Dixie still survives in Liverpool [no source for the images, so I'll have to check out Rumford Place]. Also on board the Shenandoah in the Mersey was the last surrender [to the British government, rather than American] of the Civil War.

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    Here's 1 pic' of the Confederate embassy,for now,but there must be more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fortinian View Post
    A Collection of clippings regarding the CSS Alabama.

    This one is from the Liverpool Albion copied in a Sheffield and Rotheram paper. The British Government sent out the screw-ship Shannon to keep the peace between the Confederate and Federal ships in British waters. Perhaps also to capture the mysterious "Hull 290"
    Excellent work fortinian, and up to your usual high standards. "Hull 290" is a fascinating story, and no doubt the revenues from all the cotton trade in Liverpool helped to bank roll her, even despite the Union blockade of Conferancy ships, which crippled trade both here and in the Southern states. Interesting to read about the intelligence reports of a possible Confederate ship from the Mersey. I wonder whether the Union ships were allowed to attack Confederate ships in British held waters?

    Some other connections. Steve has already mention 10 Rumford Place, Liverpool, as a kind of Confederate embassy, [then the office of George Trenholm & Charles Prioleau cotton agents].

    The most public acknowledgement of the Southern cause would have to be at St George's Hall, that hotbed of Dixie-whistling favouritism.



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    "It is not surprising, then, that Liverpool should have been the location for a Bazaar held in October 1864 in aid of the Southern Prisoners' Relief Fund. The purpose of the Fund was to provide comforts such as extra food and clothing for Confederate prisoners of war held in Northern prisons...

    The setting for the Bazaar was St George's Hall, the huge neo-classical building which is still one of the architectural glories of Liverpool...

    The Bazaar opened at 12 o'clock on Tuesday 18 October 1864 in bright weather, 'real Confederate sunshine supplementing the English autumn with something of the glory of the American fall...

    Present on the first day were...John Laird, the prominent local shipbuilder and MP for Birkenhead. Visitors on Wednesday included former officers from the CSS Alabama, which had been built across the Mersey at Laird's Birkenhead yard.

    Inside the main hall there were twelve stalls, arranged five on each side, with two in the centre, representing the eleven states of the Confederacy and Kentucky...

    More than 20,000 was raised in sales receipts and subscriptions."
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    Here's a wiki link re'the embassy.


    http://www.liverpoolwiki.org/Liverpo...federate_Fleet

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    Totally enthralling thread, more please.
    Cheers,
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