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    Should we not be filling the ones built before new builds. The amount of empty office space and luxury flats lying empty must run into acres
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    That Musuem should of been made to fit in with the three graces. Maybe a brick building would of been better if done right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    Should we not be filling the ones built before new builds. The amount of empty office space and luxury flats lying empty must run into acres
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    Talls are not always great. For instance I much prefer Alvor's (on the Algarve) policy of not allowing buildings/hotels of a certain height along its beach front - like the gross Benidorm.
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    I am with Spike on this, and Gregs Dad.. Sorry....High risers are ugly to me.. and also dangerous in emergencies... Lived in one in Chicago... Had to evacuate from the 19th floor.. stairs all the way.... NOT fun in the snow, in your pj's... Think about it...


    I think Liverpool will totally loose its flair.. I do think they could refurbish all your olde beautiful architect.. Make them LOFTS inside.. for the Middle class yuppie types... This is something people would buy... and it would keep the intriquity of the City.. Liverpool is famous for the 3 Graces.. and the Liver Birds.. to take that away is shameful... If you want Highrises everywhere.. go to Dubai... yuck!!

    Keep the old architecture.. Improve on the inside plumbing, and design of the Old.. Its' sound as a pound...


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    I suppose Max...I never realized how tall some were..as they don't seemed crammed together like New York or Chicago's are.. It has a bit more space with low risers too... Thanks for that google... I still don't like them... No matter where they are.. never have, never will... Why be in small cubes to live.. when you could refurbish nice brick buildings in Liverpool to become nice new Lofts and modernized inside.. Gives it a more artsy appeal.. I think.. One can improve on a city.. Just doesn't need people on top of people on top of people etc etc.. to get modernized ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    If you like Boston go live there.
    If you like Nottingham go live there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    You know what Ged thank god for people like yourself with your website. Soon it will be the only way of seeing what Liverpool was like. Our history is being taken away, nothing is being done to remember the Liverpool people. Are identity is being wiped out.
    Ged's site is mainly buildings that no longer exist. Many deserved to go. We can't rebuild the past. We have to do leading edge design.

    Valletta in Malta. Go see what they have done there. Its fantastic. They have preserved the history and made a great city. Not tried to copy America. Its fantastic there and no need for high rise jokes.
    Valletta relies mainly on tourism. Liverpool is still a commercial city that needs buildings to suit. Venice is a dead city that turned to tourism. Liverpool can get that old world charm back by using some brains when redeveloping the docks - little thought has gone into redevelopments. Big business wants the waters to make big money, even having car and coach parks, destroying the historic nature and ambiance.

    We do need more height in parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naked lilac View Post
    I suppose Max...I never realized how tall some were..as they don't seemed crammed together like New York or Chicago's are.. It has a bit more space with low risers too... Thanks for that google... I still don't like them... No matter where they are.. never have, never will... Why be in small cubes to live.. when you could refurbish nice brick buildings in Liverpool to become nice new Lofts and modernized inside.. Gives it a more artsy appeal.. I think.. One can improve on a city.. Just doesn't need people on top of people on top of people etc etc.. to get modernized ....

    can't disgree with that NL. Of course our old buildings should be refurbished. I LOVE huge Georgian and Victorian houses.

    We've got to move with the times as well. The north and south sides on either side of the Pierhead are looking much more dynamic than the way it was before. It had fallen into neglect and looked depressing and dreary. The waterfront was certainly not a place you gave a second theough to or would dream of visiting for a day out ! Look at it now - bright, attractive, vibrant, interesting - - now we want to get down there and have a closer look. People are now going down there when they never did before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by az_gila View Post
    That's a great idea.... sometimes the old buildings can get overwhelmed, and there is no going back....

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    That is the idea. A northern cluster of talls. There should be a southern cluster but the idiots rejected the Brunswick Quay Tower.

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    Ged, I agree with what you said in a previous post about Alvor not being built up as compared to the likes of grotesque concrete jungles like Benidorm or Torremolinos. But they are holiday places so it's not quite the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    The difference with Liverpool and L A tall buildings they look as if they will last, ours look like they have a 40 year life span like all our modern buildings.
    That is about right. Look at the sandcastle. That needs a re-clad.
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    This is a good discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    Should we not be filling the ones built before new builds. The amount of empty office space and luxury flats lying empty must run into acres
    The city is short of homes. There are other reasons why they are not filled. If the office space is there it attracts business. That is being proactive. They will not move into the city with no accommodation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Talls are not always great. For instance I much prefer Alvor's (on the Algarve) policy of not allowing buildings/hotels of a certain height along its beach front - like the gross Benidorm.

    Many have small on the front and the buildings gradually rise in height - as you have already suggested. The dock quays should use the Albert Dock as the model. Protected walkways from the wind, no vehicles on the quays, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Tallest LA building.

    The Citigroup Building is what we do not want. The others are fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    If you like Nottingham go live there.
    Who Likes Nottingham? I never said I did. I like Liverpool, As it is thank you very much. Without silly ideas from goons who live in Watford.

    Try to keep up soft lad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post


    The Citigroup Building is what we do not want. The others are fine.
    The others are horrible.

    Whats this we? You live in Watford. Go and wreck that place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    The others are horrible.

    Whats this we? You live in Watford. Go and wreck that place.
    I do not live in Watford and would like to wreck it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Who Likes Nottingham? I never said I did.
    That is what you aspire to. Watford should suit you as well.
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    Nope Liverpool suits me. As it is. Without daft Towers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Nope Liverpool suits me. As it is. Without daft Towers.
    I don't like daft towers either. I like these:











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    Then you deffo like daft towers. They would look stupid here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Then you deffo like daft towers. They would look stupid here.
    They would add value giving world-wide notoriety. Or we could be like Nottingham, Leeds or Leicester, your preferred boring dross type of cities. I prefer interesting, dynamic and exciting cities with bold, quality, advanced architecture and engineering. That is the route the city should go.

    Liverpool is ideal for advanced architecture. Even having a tower in the river - this would set the city apart..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Then you deffo like daft towers. They would look stupid here.
    those towers in the pics are stunning tho' they have the wow factor !

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    They would look silly in Liverpool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    They would look silly in Liverpool.
    What we have right now clearly does not look silly giving a nice skyline, with quality, real tall buildings much needed value would be added: architecturally and economically.


    We need more like this but taller.
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    Ugliness would be added.
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    Lindylou and Waterways and whoever else... What about the emergency factor I brought up??? Any thoughts if you live up on the top floor..... Water sprinklers would surely kill your million dollar interiors...

    Also, you are talking here, about million dollar flats... YES, million dollars... What average man can afford such..?? A lot would remain vacant.. It seems distastful to make such buildings so so high, and only a few can afford to live in them... Sounds like it would bring in maybe.....the oil barrons of Dubai??? Uh... do you really need all that??? Don't think so..

    If you want to inprove on the waterfront.. Put in nice cafes...where people can go.. average man and all.. Make it thrive in giving jobs to the locals.. Nice looking store fronts.. Those high spirals are not, (my opinion) saying Liverpool...

    What do people come to Liverpool for...????? I will tell you.... The Beatles for a large part!! And the pub atmosphere and the look of how it looked in 2002... YEP.. thats' my opinion... Take away that charm... and well.........BIG GLASS structures.. are dangerous, not practical for the average joe.. and well... UGLY...for Liverpool...

    This is too much ... Moderization is one thing.. But, make it fit with the history too... I speak of Hawaii.. Our architecture does have a couple of high rises... but, done tastefully... and I must add.. most of downtown Honolulu.. is being refurbished like the old 1800 buildings... The look is what captures the fantasy....

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    Well said NL And some great ideas you have ome up with.
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