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    Its time for Liverpool to get the “mad map man” treatment. I collect maps of allsorts, but have a particular interest in the South Lancs area. The collection grows all the time, but space is running out! My scanning skills aren’t too good, so bear with me. The digital data images are far clearer.

    So, take a journey through time !

    http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2530/1849id1.jpg

    1st series One Inch

    Not an original, a facsimilie of the area from 1849 with railways inserted to 1890

    http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7116/1903wh1.jpg
    Likewise, a reprint from 1903

    1889

    These are excerpts from the first edition County Series maps of Lancashire- I have 2 disks of scans which cover the whole of Lancashire south of Preston. I am lucky in having access to an A0 printer at work, so I can print out complete sheets. Originals of this series tend to be very mucky and well used- I had the option of having the whole set of Hampshire once, but settled for scanning them. I also have most of west Cheshire.They are a fascinating record of the area in the late Victorian age. Any requests for specific areas to be shown, ill try to oblige.

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    Workhouse area

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    The Pier Head

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    Around Lime St Station

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    Princes Park

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    Runcorn

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    Appaling housing in Toxteth

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    Birkenhead

    1913
    http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4176/1913pw7.jpg
    One of favourites is this 1913 One Inch map, which covers an area from Southport to Chester and across to Wigan. Possibly Liverpool in its prime. Note the coastal batteries at Seaforth and Perch Rock.

    1947 One Inch
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    I like the style of this series, we begin to see the corporation estates being built.

    10k 56
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    This is from the 1956 1:10,000 mapping of Liverpool

    1964
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    These are dated 1964, but revision wasn’t too frequent then, so the actual survey may have been carried out 10 years earlier.

    One Inch 1968
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    Looks more familiar

    One Inch 1972
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    Seaforth Dock is added

    60s / 70s 25k

    From the “Provisional” 1:25,00 First series, the forerunner of the Orange “Explorer” maps we see today.

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    1976 25K
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    This map makes Liverpool look terrible, look at all the slum clearance areas!

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    Recent 10k

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    Recent again, using polygonised Landline

    Hope you enjoyed it!
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    Did enjoy it, thanks. Great scan quality, very clear

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    I love looking at old maps,I have a few my self from the Scouse press packets,I also have a few OS maps from Alan Godfrey collection

    just recently I have started collecting old A-Z's I now have about 7 Liverpool ones

    I do have a request though . do you have any maps that show Barlow Square (off Westminister Rd) Kirkdale? none of my maps show it
    my grandfather lived there in 1901 & I live so close to it now I could even be living on the site of it

    Mandy

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    Ive just spent a while looking for Barlow Square, but maybe it was quite small and so not named on the map. There are a few courts off Barlow Street- perhaps it was one of them. there is a square off walton road, near a mill, again unlabelled.

    http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9653/kirkdaleew2.jpg

    http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4...rkdale2bj5.jpg
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    Absolutely awesome!! Thanks Bazzacat
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    hi Bazzacat

    thank you
    I think the Square off Walton Rd is Springfield Sq
    in the indexes of my maps it says Barlow Sq off Barlow Street but it doesn't show it on any maps it must be too small to show,I live in the next street to Barlow St & would really love to know exactly were Barlow Square was
    looking closely at the map I think there are two squares close to Bradewell St so it could be one of them

    thanks again
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    It has to be one of them- the street naming conventions usually have offshoots from larger roads having the same prefix.

    Ill keep an eye out for further info

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    My Aunt has a Liverpool Corporation map which shows Speke Road under construction and also advertises the modern facilities on offer at the new indusrtrial estates in Kirkby, Speke ect. I will attempt to get a few images up here when I am next there (will be around the 22nd!)
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    Blooming 'eck.... Bazza... you've a map of Seacombe/ Wallasey up there that shows my old street (Gladstone road) before they knocked it down in the early 70's ... nice one mate

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    Fascinating stuff!!, I even managed to make out my street on a couple of those maps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FKoE View Post
    Blooming 'eck.... Bazza... you've a map of Seacombe/ Wallasey up there that shows my old street (Gladstone road) before they knocked it down in the early 70's ... nice one mate
    My Aunts house in Newland Drive (off Wallasey Road) seems to have been built either during or slightly before 1903 as it appears on the map there.

    They are very interesting! And it is great to see how the Wirral has grown with the city. Moreton, upton and Greasby were small, isolated villages in 1903 but by 1972, they have expanded and run into each-other!

    Really is interesting!
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    The first contemporary map mentioning Liverpool


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    Quote Originally Posted by robbo176 View Post
    I love looking at old maps,I have a few my self from the Scouse press packets,I also have a few OS maps from Alan Godfrey collection

    just recently I have started collecting old A-Z's I now have about 7 Liverpool ones

    I do have a request though . do you have any maps that show Barlow Square (off Westminister Rd) Kirkdale? none of my maps show it
    my grandfather lived there in 1901 & I live so close to it now I could even be living on the site of it

    Mandy
    The Record Office at Central Library have a wonderful collection of maps.
    The largest scale one is the 1890 1/500 series.
    Get the right one and it will definitely show Barlow Square, assuming it was built before 1890.
    It'll even show steps leading up to the front door, lamp posts and trees.

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    I once worked for British Gas. The gas main were run by them (Transco now do this). They had old detailed maps of the city with the gas mains on them. They were copied onto traces and updated as mains were amended. They were very detailed and the gas mains in Upper Parli date from the 1830s.

    On Upper Parli on the left on the way up is a Geogian terrace in cream. This was separate houses that looked awful and delapidated. In the 1970s the block was being gutted and converted to flats with the basements all knocked into one. The gas mains came in where each separate house used to be. I had the job of designing the installations for all the flats. As these separate house were no more, I took in one large gas mains pipe into the block and cut off all the old pipes under the pavement. In 1970 Upper Parli was recovered with about 6" to 12" of concrete under. So one dig got us to the 1830s cast iron pipe in the road.

    The maps were detailed, showing pavements and property lines, house numbers, etc. Unfrtunate, not in the public domain.
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    I bought this a few years ago at a Boot Fair. I can not see a publication date on it. It is pre the 0151 numbers.
    Can anyone date it ?

    Would it be possible to put it on the site ? (copyright) ????
    Can a moderator help ?

    It would take a lot of scanning on my part. Its about 50 pages long.

    Phredd




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    Quote Originally Posted by phredd View Post
    I bought this a few years ago at a Boot Fair. I can not see a publication date on it. It is pre the 0151 numbers.
    Can anyone date it ?

    Would it be possible to put it on the site ? (copyright) ????
    Can a moderator help ?

    It would take a lot of scanning on my part. Its about 50 pages long.

    Phredd


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    Kev thanks for the move.
    The map will soon be in a new home so watch this space.

    Phredd

    ps = do you know of anyone who collects the 'Ghost Train memoriabelia'(sp) from New Brighten ?

    Phredd

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    Hi Phred,
    I recognise that book. I borrowed that book from my mother about 5years ago and mislaid it in my house. I have been desperately searching for it for the last few weeks. I seem to remember it was pre second world war possibly 1920's as the speke estate had not been built. It showed Everton before the slum clearence programme began. Must keep looking

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    Nice thread people. I aquirred a large map of Liverpool on linen, I think it was dated 1840 or 60. It was great. I took it over to my brother in Australia, and he had it framed, cost him a bomb. The shop he had it framed in paid him so they could keep it in the window for another week, They had so many people stopping to look at it. I may have a photo some where, but whether I can get it on here is some thing else, as I am a cave man with pc's !

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    Excellent Maps! My God - imagine someone with a 56k modem

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    Quote Originally Posted by johno View Post
    Hi Phred,
    I recognise that book. I borrowed that book from my mother about 5years ago and mislaid it in my house. I have been desperately searching for it for the last few weeks. I seem to remember it was pre second world war possibly 1920's as the speke estate had not been built. It showed Everton before the slum clearence programme began. Must keep looking

    Thanks for the input john.
    The book has to be before the 0151 numbers and after the 'ANF, EVE as all the codes have figures and no letters. ( am I pissed ?) in other words does that make sense.
    Phredd

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    Can anyone please post this map with No 2 court in Kitchen St please.
    This is the large scale map.
    Many thanks in the hope some one can oblige me.
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    Please Please can any kind soul post this 1891 o/s map for me.
    Really grateful if you can.
    Thank you in advance.
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    Kitchen Street 1906. Best I could do.
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    Would you believe it birdseye, its got to be the top end on St.James St.
    Thanks again for your post for me.

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    Any better? Got one eye on the PC and one on the telly.
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    Thanks birdseye,
    Is that the large scale 1891 o/s map.
    Thanks again
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    It's OS Lancashire sheet 106.10 of 1906.Bought a few of these a couple of years ago. Invaluable for finding what used to be where.

    Be reading in the national papers tomorrow about how lucky Liverpool were to scrape through. If Chelsea had won it would be seen as a masterpiece of footballing skill.

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    I walked down Kitchen Street today. The top end, near St. James' Street, has modern property (derelict petrol garage on one side and Aigburth Tiles building on the other). Heading down to the 'dock road' over the Jamaica Street junction, are several old warehouse type buildings. Late 1800s/early 1900s I'd guess.
    This area is very near the old Blundell Street (Wapping) Goods Station, so someone might have more information/pics. I think on the very next block is a triangilar vent for the railway.

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    Hi Marky
    I have a copy of the 1891 o/s map which covers the section upto Jamacia St.
    The courts included are numbers 3,4, 5, 7,8,10, 11,12,14. but no number 2 court.
    The great thing about this o/s map is it is large scale, great detail and the courts are numbered.
    Dave
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