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    Default Childwall Graveyard Under Threat

    A new website I've constructed. Highlighting the removal of over 60 gravestones to make way for a new building on the side of the current church.

    http://www.savechildwallchurch.info/


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    Planning has been sadly passed:

    www.savechildwallchurch.info

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    Hadn't seen this before,and can't believe the powers that be,would allow building of any sort,on a cemetery that's still in use!?! (Can't get onto the site you've posted,it's just blank?)

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    thanks for the update Cad .....I couldn't see the site either
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    The link IS working. There is a moment or two of darkness while it loads then...pop! Bob's your uncle.

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    A great shame, but that is modern life Iam affraid.
    Had a look at your site, pity about the colours :-)

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oudeis View Post
    The link IS working. There is a moment or two of darkness while it loads then...pop! Bob's your uncle.
    Gave it 5 min's,but still no go? Maybe my connection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Gave it 5 min's,but still no go? Maybe my connection?
    I counted five seconds to blast off a moment ago, why not try 'refresh'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oudeis View Post
    I counted five seconds to blast off a moment ago, why not try 'refresh'?
    Got as far as "picture loading,then........blackness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Got as far as "picture loading,then........blackness!
    What can I say...it must be personal.

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    I must say i'm not too bothered about the graves (am I being sacreligious?) but I am bothered about the impact this will have on the 'feel' of Childwall.

    The Abbey and the Church is the last remaining vestage of a lost-village, I don't want to loose it.

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    I'm not religious myself,but graveyards like this this,I find fascinating! The age of some of the memorials are quite old,along with the ornate Barclay family memorial.The simple cross,though apparently more dispensible,is surely as important!
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    One of the biggest issues regarding the graves is that there are still recent cremations or burials where family are still visiting the graves regularly. When this carbuncle goes ahead, it isn't just a case of taking the gravestone out, but a, not being interred yourself in the family vault, and b, finding that your grave is now under a toilet block.

    The Church decided to put the Application in way before I went up and photographed every grave in the area to see if people knew about it. The Church was then embarrassed in to putting a small letter out to people who may still be living in the same house, but gave no real thought to the views on the grave tenders. Whether you are religious or not, one still has a right to visit their own family grave without fear or threat that it will be built on by a pointless extension.

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    still couldn't see the site on my PC but when I tried on the laptop it came on straight away

    some of the burials are so recent ,they must have relatives still visiting,I'd hate to see my relatives buried under a toilet block

    Ashfield school closed down a few years ago ...couldn't they use that site or is it still in use?
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    Good stuff Bro Cad.
    www.inacityliving.piczo.com/

    Updated weekly with old and new pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortinian View Post
    I must say i'm not too bothered about the graves (am I being sacreligious?) but I am bothered about the impact this will have on the 'feel' of Childwall.

    The Abbey and the Church is the last remaining vestage of a lost-village, I don't want to loose it.
    Yes the area around the Abbey and Church is a vestige, although I must say it is amazing that it still has a "rural" village feel there despite being in the middle of a major city. May it long remain so.

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    Site has had a redesign:

    http://www.savechildwallchurch.info/

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    Cad, if you can locate where those cannonballs were found or find any other evidence of anything interesting in Bloody Acre you'd have a good case for arguing the church bring in archeologists to check the site out.

    It might allow you more time.

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    Already tried that one Fort. I am convinced (though no maps show) that there was a Monk's Bath in the area - next to a church/chapel - on a hillside - facing the sun. So went down to see the area - very boggy at the bottom of Bloody Acre and can only convince myself there is an underground bath/steam running through it. I noted it to the Council who put it in their report and didn't give it another thought.

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    Boggy ground does not a bath make, Cad. I'm also unsure as to why you think there was an additional chapel there. Medieval religious institutions are generally one of the most recorded types of medieval history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortinian View Post
    Boggy ground does not a bath make, Cad. I'm also unsure as to why you think there was an additional chapel there. Medieval religious institutions are generally one of the most recorded types of medieval history.
    Boggy ground at the lower part of the field when a, the top of the field is dry and b, the garden behind the boggy ground is dry does convince me that it is being fed water from somewhere. When I last went, there had been no rain for days yet it was wet under foot.

    Regarding the additional chapel, I can't see where I've said that there would be one situated there at all? The only known recorded chapels are that of the 14th century chapel (now part of Childwall Church) and an additional chapel which the Childwall Abbey now stands on and uses part of the original chapel wall.

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    I read it as if you thought there was a chapel next to the 'monks bath', but I guess you were talking about a building on the site of the present church?

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    Can't believe this, I was there in March this year, took some nice photo's of the church and surrounding area.

    Lets hope the planners have seen Poltergiest and move not only the gravestones.

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    Hot off the press after a fun Planning Meeting this morning!

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