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    In 1951 Beatrice Rimmer was bludgeoned to death in her home, with robbery the supposed motive. Two Mancunians Edward Devlin and Alfred Burns were later hung for the murder after investigations led by Bert Balmer, who would appear to have 'fitted up' George Kelly and Charles Connolly over the Cameo murders.


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    The evidence against the two accused was largely circumstantial, involving eye witness accounts by people of questionable character and the defendants failure to provide a suitable alibi. No murder weapon or fingerprints were ever found, nor did anyone ever see the them go into the house.

    I'm convinced that this is, like the Cameo case, a miscarriage of justice. Here's some links:-

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    Hi Steve

    Thanks for starting this thread. As you say, it appears to be another miscarriage of justice down to Bert Balmer fitting up a couple of petty criminals for the crime just as in the Cameo case.

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    what a sad case

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    My mate still lives opposite to the house in question!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jona76 View Post
    My mate still lives opposite to the house in question!
    get us a pic jona!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissInformed View Post


    get us a pic jona!

    Of me mates house?

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    No, of the sad case.

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    Hi AP and MissInformed

    Thanks, AP, for sharing that newscutting with us. As you saw, it is New Brighton-based George Skelly, author of The Cameo Conspiracy, who is writing the book on the Cranborne Road murder. As George told me by email recently, and as related in the cutting, he sees a direct parallel between what happened with George Kelly and Charles Connolly, the two men convicted in the Cameo murders, and the convictions and execution of Burns and Devlin for the murder of Beatrice Rimmer in her Wavertree home. In both cases, the men who were tried and found guilty of the crimes appear to have been "fitted up" for the crimes by the chief Liverpool CID officer, Bert Balmer.

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    Hi Chris do you know how the book by George is progressing?

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    I wonder if it was George Skelly or possibly MarkR from this forum, or even Tom Slemen who rang into Radio City this week when Pete Price had Bernard-Hogan-Howe on the programme. It was in protest at the Police commissionaire wanting to charge 450 for documents on an old murder case being made avaialble for public scrutiny under the freedom of information act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I wonder if it was George Skelly or possibly MarkR from this forum, or even Tom Slemen who rang into Radio City this week when Pete Price had Bernard-Hogan-Howe on the programme. It was in protest at the Police commissionaire wanting to charge 450 for documents on an old murder case being made avaialble for public scrutiny under the freedom of information act.
    Did the caller actually mention this case ? If so, it will almost certainly have been Slem or his sidecar rider, Mr. Andrews (if it were me I wouldn't know which handlebars to grab). If it wasn't this case being talked about, how comes you posted that in this thread ?
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    Hi there. I bumped into Mr Andrews quite by accident when the Gardens of Stone screening was on at the Olive Mount Community Centre last wednesday. He has a 'Criminologist' sign on his bungalow gate, so I chatted to him for a while and he said they had some 'revelations' about this case and others, I suspect Wallace and the Ripper that he and Slemen were supposed to working on (Liverpool it seems may have run out of ghosts now)- I won't hold my breath.

    Hogan-Howe was very suspicious of why someone would want an old case file, he said he had to wary of suspects in an old case delving into what the police actually had/or never had on them.

    It transpired that it was someone writing a book about a famous old Liverpool case and this was only one of perhaps three I could think of that was in the news, what with Bert Balmer and his perhaps dodgy methods and the call for justice. This therefore might not be the correct thread in actual fact but if it is being revisited, then it's quite possible that this is the file the caller was on about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Hi there. I bumped into Mr Andrews quite by accident when the Gardens of Stone screening was on at the Olive Mount Community Centre last wednesday. He has a 'Criminologist' sign on his bungalow gate, so I chatted to him for a while and he said they had some 'revelations' about this case and others...
    You chatted to him because he had a 'Criminologist' sign on his driveway ?

    You know, he and Slem can hint all they like about their revelations regarding this case and others. That's one of their tricks. The fact is: they know nothing. I know people (yes, plural) who have seen the Merseyside Police case files on this murder so anything in them is not a revelation which Andrews or Slem have any power to exclusively hold back or reveal at a time of their choosing. There are people out there with far greater knowledge of Merseyside crimes than this pair claim to have and as have I asked before on here: what have either of them ever exclusively revealed about anything ? Can anyone answer me that ?

    My opinion is that Slem is a truly awful writer with a niche market preaching the unbelievable to the unbelievably naive. And, as our own Mr. George on here is well aware, he's been shown to have pilfered his tales from elsewhere (he didn't even hide it very well).

    Mr. Andrews, OTOH, is a self-styled criminologist who sees dead rock-stars on gateposts and who was, the last I heard, calling for a pedestrian tunnel to be built under the Mersey so people could pop over to the shops in Birkenhead. That's what we're dealing with here. The sooner this pair of jokers leave criminology to people qualified to write about such matters the better.

    Oh, and did you know that every time someone buys a Tom Slemen book that somewhere on Earth a genuine historical researcher dies. It's true.

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    I very much agree with you. But in case you think i'm a sad case, I was a little lost at the time and had unknowingly driven past the community centre twice in my search for it, a sign on it would be good. That's when I spotted him and his sign. I asked him if he knew Vincent Burke, a real criminologist, he looked a bit blank and said after a while 'Oh Yes'

    I know of course that Slemen's 'revelation' of John Johnstone (sp) being the wallace murderer has been looked at before, as I say, i'm not holding my breath of those two finding anything new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I very much agree with you. But in case you think i'm a sad case, I was a little lost at the time and had unknowingly driven past the community centre twice in my search for it, a sign on it would be good. That's when I spotted him and his sign. I asked him if he knew Vincent Burke, a real criminologist, he looked a bit blank and said after a while 'Oh Yes'

    I know of course that Slemen's 'revelation' of John Johnstone (sp) being the wallace murderer has been looked at before, as I say, i'm not holding my breath of those two finding anything new.
    Don't worry Ged mate. If it helps, I know you're not one of the soft ones Evidently, there's something of a feud 'twixt Slem/Andrews and Burke so Andrews' face must have been priceless when you asked him had he heard of Vincent Pity you (probably) didn't add the "real Criminologist" bit in real life, for extra effect. I would have done...

    The Slem/Andrews theory of the Johnstones killing Julia Wallace is of course completely true because they are "credited with solving the case in Arabella McIntyre Brown's book, Liverpool: The First 1000 years." And this feat of enormous accreditation now ranks them above "other historians and crime fiction writers such as Agatha Christie, Dorothy L Sayers and Raymond Chandler." (Link)

    Also on that page you'll see this inconspicuous gabble (which I'm reminded that I've mentioned before on here):

    "He is currently writing a feature on a crime historian's past, and an in-depth article on a failed one-book 'pulp crime writer' who writes nothing but anonymous emails to famous people. Keith is also working with a television screenwriter on a script about the Cameo Murders, based on the landmark book by Barry Shortall."

    Which seems to be a dig at none other than Mr. Burke and then a double (or does it count triple ?) dig at Mr. George Skelly. Baffling...

    ...except of course they're in something of a minor panic knowing that he has a Rimmer Murder book in the works (back 'on thread' at last !) and they've hinted at one of their own in the pipe-line (or should that be -dream ?).

    Be very assured that there is not the remotest chance that Slem and Andrews would (or even could) publish anything on the Cranborne Road murder first as they're palpably worried that George might know a lot more than they do and would rather have the opportunity to piggyback onto his research once his book is out anyway. And then accuse a dead neighbour...
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    Thanks for the link, very interesting. If I didn't know better, i'd say the wiki page was written by the old chap himself - he certainly didn't look anything like his bouncer pic

    So there was I, talking to such a famous crime solver - not - ha ha.

    I like the way they mention Parry was a main suspect then almost as an aside then mention WHW was also blamed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Thanks for the link, very interesting. If I didn't know better, i'd say the wiki page was written by the old chap himself - he certainly didn't look anything like his bouncer pic

    So there was I, talking to such a famous crime solver - not - ha ha.

    ...
    Just as surely as Slem writes his own Wiki page, Andrews surely has touched his own up from time to time. The editing history of both is fascinating and sometimes hilarious.

    Just to explain my 'rock-stars and gateposts' accusation further up:

    http://www.xprojectmagazine.com/arch...ge/jlface.html

    Just the kind of thing you'd expect from a serious criminologist, eh ?

    Google his name and Jonbenet Ramsey for some very interesting reading.

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    Ged - does Andrews really have that big moustache, or is it just a false one he uses to make people take notice of his articles.

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    Looking at Wikipedia last year, I noticed that there was no mention of the Wallace case anywhere in it's pages and decided to create an entry. It sat there unmolested until quite recently when, checking on it I noticed two lines had been added at the bottom by someone unknown. They referred to a theory by a Keith Andrews that the person responsible for the murder of Julia Wallace was none other than her next door neighbour. I had finished my entry by saying that nobody else had been charged with the murder, other that the reprieved Wallace and that therefore the murder remained unsolved.
    I was pretty irritated at this addition of an unproven theory ( which is a long way from new) because it implied that this Andrews character had solved the murder. I found an entry for him in Wikipedia and he has attempted to confirm his theory by quoting it's inclusion in a book by someone called Arabella McIntyre Brown, whoever she is.
    As this is simply a theory and not sustainable by evidence or a signed confession, it has no place in an entry based on known facts and I attempted to remove the offending lines, but the entry has been padlocked by the admin. I wonder why. I have done a couple of other Wikipedia entries on Liverpool murders and await their re-editing by whoever did the Wallace one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by birdseye View Post
    Looking at Wikipedia last year, I noticed that there was no mention of the Wallace case anywhere in it's pages and decided to create an entry. It sat there unmolested until quite recently when, checking on it I noticed two lines had been added at the bottom by someone unknown. They referred to a theory by a Keith Andrews that the person responsible for the murder of Julia Wallace was none other than her next door neighbour. I had finished my entry by saying that nobody else had been charged with the murder, other that the reprieved Wallace and that therefore the murder remained unsolved.
    I was pretty irritated at this addition of an unproven theory ( which is a long way from new) because it implied that this Andrews character had solved the murder. I found an entry for him in Wikipedia and he has attempted to confirm his theory by quoting it's inclusion in a book by someone called Arabella McIntyre Brown, whoever she is.
    As this is simply a theory and not sustainable by evidence or a signed confession, it has no place in an entry based on known facts and I attempted to remove the offending lines, but the entry has been padlocked by the admin. I wonder why. I have done a couple of other Wikipedia entries on Liverpool murders and await their re-editing by whoever did the Wallace one.
    The W.H .Wallace page is in a state of "semi-protection", (disables editing from anonymous accounts and those accounts fewer than four days old). So register, wait 96 hours and edit it as much as ye see fit. If you want, you could even consider yourself as it's gatekeeper

    Incidentally, now that you've made me go look at Wiki again (I generally don't bother because I'm there all night when I do), I note with some sadness that Oliver Hardy is up for possible deletion and meanwhile, Stan Laurel just got himself banned from editing after barely being registered for two hours. But is one of his edits quite telling though ? He edited out a mention of his moustache-faced buddy on the W.H. Wallace page but was happy to leave the last paragraph as "Despite much theorising as to the identity of the murderer, the case remains unsolved." Hadn't he 'cracked' this one ? Surely world-renowned crime expert Arabella McIntyre-Brown couldn't have made a bad call in her book on Liverpool's first thousand years ? How could it be ? Uh-oh, there goes my sarcasm again. I really should get that looked at...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteH View Post
    Ged - does Andrews really have that big moustache, or is it just a false one he uses to make people take notice of his articles.
    Ste. He did have a moustache but it wan't black anymore. How did he ever drink soup with that, that's the real mystery here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Ste. He did have a moustache but it wan't black anymore. How did he ever drink soup with that, that's the real mystery here.
    With a straw?

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    Just found this via GOOGLE- Met Mr. George Skelly last week and had a good ol' natter about the old times. I know him from way back - from the Cavern days. I listened to him talk about this case for a half an hour or so and he's adamant that he knows who the real killer is and that he's going to name him in his upcoming book. Eventually he told me the name - via a whisper! - but I'm not sure I should say anything on here! In fact I'm quite sure that I should not! I actually met this bloke personally on a few occasions and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he had ever bludgeoned someone to death. Just such a bloody shame he was never caught for this one before he went on to do what he did subsequently. George said his research was "spine-tinglingly" lucky - I think he'd had a few bevvies by then as that can't be a real word. But I think it might be worth hanging on for a Second/Updated edition as there are some things which he won't be able to say while certain individuals are still alive. I suggested he should just publish the lot and see what happens but he's in promises to people who he interviewed and who have confided major stuff so there you go. Whether this one goes back to the court of appeal for a re-adjudication remains to be seen but if it does it'll be a proud day for the truth. The two hanged are still buried at Walton - in the same grave would you believe - so ultimately a Christian burial good and proper would be about the best 'happy ending' this story could get. Amen to that.

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    I would be very interested if you had any further contacts about the Burns & Devlyn case, as Alfred Burns was my mums cousin. I have been looking in to my family history and come across this skeleton. It seems to all be a bit hush hush in the family, and that alone has lit an immediate interest to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SisterMoon View Post
    I would be very interested if you had any further contacts about the Burns & Devlyn case, as Alfred Burns was my mums cousin. I have been looking in to my family history and come across this skeleton. It seems to all be a bit hush hush in the family, and that alone has lit an immediate interest to me.
    Many thanks for the information you have put on here.
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    I hope justice is done. Incidentally the Cameo and Cranborne murders were only a matter of yards apart being in adjacent roads.
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    Donna please cjheck your private messages
    I have something you might be interested in
    Also you may want to contact George Skelly he may be interested in your family history
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    Its quite interesting all this stuff about 7 Cranborne Road. I grew up near there and didn't know all that much about it until reading this thread.

    I do find it funny however that the link from the first post http://detectiveandrews.tripod.com/cranborne.html
    has the photo "Keith Andrews in Cranborne Road, Wavertree".
    Someone should tell him he's looking in the wrong place. He's standing in what looks like Salisbury Road.
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