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    hi can anyone tell me where Mill Place was
    I'm due to meet a very distant relative from Canada on Friday ,I was hoping to show her where our mutral relative was married from.......they were born in Mill Lane Islington in 1837 before the Walker Art Gallery was built & married from Mill Place but I cant find it on any maps

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    Hi Mandy, I've only managed to find 'Mill Lane' & 'Mill Court' on the 1848 OS map attached.

    'Mill Place' - if you look at the pattern of development around the museums....Harmony Place, Queen's Place, Union Place, Devonshire Place, 'Fitch' Place [looks like] then the "Vegetable Market". Considering Mill lane & Mill Court are close together, I think the market would have absorbed Mill Place when it was created?









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    thanks Daz,they are the maps I was looking at .......the marriage took place 22nd September 1856 (my birthday...not the year) at St Johns Church so Mill place should be on the 1848 map
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    I'll have another look.
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    thanks Dazza,I've been looking all night ,hopefully a fresh pair of eyes might spot it .......although on the second map there is an un-named passage off Mill Lane ,I was wondering if that could be it
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    The "1848" OS map is a little misleading. At the very bottom it says "New Railways, Houses, &o, inserted in 1864". And since the Museum was only handed over the keys on 18th October, 1860. It would seem that this building was added in later.

    Checking Gores [1821 & 1843] I found two entry which refer to "Mill Place, Shaw's Brow". So it was either on the site of the museum/library, or the vegetable market? The 1848 OS was engraved in 1850. I would check with LRO, as sometimes they have the earlier editions. If they have 1850, I'm sure you'll find 'Mill Place' located on it.

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    Hi Mandy, I've Googled 'Mill Place' and come up with reference to 'Mill Place, SHAW"S BROW, Liverpool'.

    Googling 'SHAW"S BROW' Produced this:

    4th Walk
    Setting out once more from the Town Hall we proceed along Dale-street, one of the oldest in the town, and which until a few years ago was very narrow. Several old houses stood on the north side but they were taken down when the street was widened. Opposite to Crosshall-street is the office belonging to the Liverpool Gas-Light Company, and at the lower end there were formerly flood gates. Passing Byrom-street on the left and the Haymarket on the right, we ascend to Shaw’s Brow, and though rather steep at present, it was much more so some years ago. It is understood that the houses on the south side are soon to be taken down. At the top on the right hand stood the old Infirmary and the Almshouses; but these buildings have been entirely removed, and the ground is not yet built on. The opposite side is now occupied by Islington Market "......This building is partially covered, and is situate in Shaw's Brow


    http://www.old-liverpool.co.uk/Walks.html

    Could it be that Mill Place was off Shaw's Brow? Hope this helps.

    By the way, there's a nice little drawing on the above site too.

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    Image 1. Mill Place to Mill Lane, Shaw's Brow [north side] 1854
    [SOURCE: image from W. P. Herdman Herdman Coll. 660. Description from The Streets of Liverpool]

    Image 2. Shaw's Brow [the windmill stood in Mill Lane] c.1850
    [SOURCE: c.1855 extract from Liverpool Pictorial... LRO Herdman Collection 1461]

    Image 3. Mill Lane, off Shaw's Brow, with Christ Church, Hunter Street in the background. c.1855 [SOURCE: c.1855 extract from Liverpool Pictorial... LRO Herdman Collection 1451]
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    Truely; we never walk alone.

    Well done guys.

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    I love researching this old area of mine. Christ Church on Hunter street certainly looks impressive for the time and was funded by John Houghton of the Bull Inn on the corner of Dale st and Trueman st (where I later lived opposite). It's now the building with the blue plaque describing it as one of the finest Merchant houses. It was a solicitors in the 1970s/80 and now residential accommodation.
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    thanks guys ,excellent work again ,now I can meet my distant relative & show her roughly where my gt gt grandparents lived
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    Not so fast robbo, one more for the collection.

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    So Mill Place was used for the Walker Art Gallery.
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    Looks like Ged. Give me a couple of minutes and I'll plot it out for you.
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    Here you go Ged/ robbo. "Mill Place" cuts right through the Walker.











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    And finally...


    "Mill Place" from Shaw's Brow, c.1825. If you look carefully it says "Mill Place" on the side of the building. Originally posted by Kev on the following Windmill thread [see post#16] http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/sho...ighlight=mills

    The mill can be seen on the '1836 map' attached in the post above this one.
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    This is the house Ged
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    That's the one Joe.

    This piece doesn't look like the same Christ Church though???


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    wow thanks Sherlock Daz!!! fantastic work
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    Cheers robbo. ha, I bet you're sorry you asked now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Cheers robbo. ha, I bet you're sorry you asked now?

    "Sherlock" - I can't resist a good mystery, that's true.
    no I'm made up I can meet the lady from Canada armed with all the maps ,pics,the census sheets & birth /marriage certificates

    I'm sure you'll have a few fans from Canada too

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbo176 View Post
    no I'm made up I can meet the lady from Canada armed with all the maps ,pics,the census sheets & birth /marriage certificates

    I'm sure you'll have a few fans from Canada too

    thanks again
    Ha, I was only kidding Mandy. No, that sounds great. I hope the extra material brings the story that little bit more closer for them. Strangly enough the cafe in the Walker sits pretty much over 'Mill Place', though with slightly better surroundings and about 12' feet higher than the original cobbled ground level.

    Good luck Mandy, I'm sure you'll make the perfect tour guide tomorrow.
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    You'll have to get Dazza to come along and be ur personal historian for the day too

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouse smurf View Post
    You'll have to get Dazza to come along and be ur personal historian for the day too
    Ha smurfy, I knows me limitations, and there's more I don't know, than do know. That's why I'm cheap at half the price.


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    Ged, have you ever come across a photo of 'Christ Church' on Hunter Street?
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    Not a photo. The LRO only have a drawing and it's not like the one on the church site I put up earlier and in fact the painting No3 on your post No.8 show the bell tower like the drawing i've seen.
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    Thanks Ged, strange eh? I came across a picture of the church with the "bell tower" yesterday on Lancashire Online Parish site and was a bit puzzled by it - as the Herdman view shows a more modest dome. This is the same descrition you find in The Stranger to Liverpool. I have a 1820 edition and it says:

    "CHRIST CHURCH. It is build of brick, ornamented with stone. It has no tower; but a light and well constructed dome, or cupola, rises from the north end..."
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    Yes, the dome pic is the same as the LRO (I assumed it held a bell but maybe not) The spire type structure on the Lancashire online Parish site is puzzling?

    ps. The school was on Christian St and became St. Annes.
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    This is Christ Church school, attached to that church. It later became St. Annes attached to the church on St. Anne Street which gave it its name.



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