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    Hi Chris

    Great to hear from you again! Great site. I'll have to look out for RWE's assessment on the Cameo case. I'll be attending the mock Maybrick Trial at the Liverpool Cricket Club in May. Will you be there?


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    Hello Mark R. I tend to agree with practically all of what you say on the other site about WHW.

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    Hi Ged

    I've never been totally convinced of Wallace's guilt. I know he acted in a (seemingly) suspicious manner on the evening of 20th January but I believe there are many points in favour of his innocence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark R View Post
    Hi Chris

    Great to hear from you again! Great site. I'll have to look out for RWE's assessment on the Cameo case. I'll be attending the mock Maybrick Trial at the Liverpool Cricket Club in May. Will you be there?

    Mark
    Hi Mark

    Yes I will be at the Liverpool Cricket Club in May for the Maybrick "Trial" -- couldn't resist returning to my home city for such an event, though I don't think Maybrick was the Ripper. I hope to meet you then, Mark.

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    Hi Chris,

    I agree. I don't believe Maybrick was JTR. Look forward to seeing you in May!!

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    Mark, weren't you put off the trial by your last experience, wasn't it you waiting for the tour bus but it didn't arrive though they tried to say it did - not the same organisers is it?

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    The Maybrick Tour - yes. They offered us another date when we complained but we couldn't make it on that date. Don't know if it is the same organisers though...

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    Hi Ged

    I don't know if you know but there are also archive pages on the Wallace Case on the Ripper Casebook site. There are 3 pages made up of 50 posts each. they can be found here:

    http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4927/16732.html

    That's when I wrote under the name Mark Bloch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark R View Post
    Yes, that triangle of land. It was originally Rochester Road I believe. My mother was born in Clarendon Road 3 years after the murder, and was christened in Holy Trinity Church. My great-aunt had dealings with Wallace and she was convinced he was guilty - 'I always knew there was something about him. He always had cold hands'
    My grandfather regularly used to see Wallace as well and believed he was innocent. I have never been convinced of Wallace's guilt. The complete lack of bloodstaining on his person points strongly to his innocence I believe.
    I was christened in Holy Trin

    Yes, that part of Lower Breck was called Rochester. I wonder why they change names like that ?

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    Holy Trinity Breck rd. (Richmond Park to the left)

    I wasn't going to post them as they are terrible pics with the top of the spire cut off ! .. but here they are anyway:
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    That triangle of land you mention (opposite the LFC Supporters club - the former old Cabbage Hall cinema) - is known as the 'triangle' by local Anfielders. We always refer to the 'triangle'.

    I have photos of when the triangle was a little gardens surrounded by hedges. There were seats in there and a couple of small flowerbeds.
    It's how it would have looked in Wallace's day.
    It was still like it during the early 60s and I can just about remember it.
    It's just a flat area of grass now where the pigeons congregate.
    The 'triangle' .. a shadow of it's former self !!
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    absolutely brilliant thread everyone!

    Lindy...you're info about growing up in that street was amazing! so interesting!
    just found this...

    http://www.geocities.com/tom_slemen/wallace.html
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    Thanks for the link. That old photo in there of 'our' street .. I've seen in books and web-sites. There's a kid playing in the distance and I wonder if it could have been me !! ha,ha. You never know !

    The phonebox where Wallace made the call was by the 'triangle' (previous pic I posted). The phonebox used to be over by the side where the bus stop is - if you look close you'll see a bus shelter. The phonebox was originally more over towards the right. There was always a call box on that site and was only removed in recent years.

    Wolverton st has always been a nice quiet road and has remained that way.
    It's tucked away from any main roads, and as it is a cul-de-sac ( although at one time there used to be a small unpaved, unlit passage way at the bottom end leading off into Richmond Park ) only residents pass through it. There is very little passing traffic and no surrounding shops etc, therefore it's a peaceful little street.

    Wish I still lived there. I live somewhere totally the opposite now - a main rd, hectic and noisy - no peace !!
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    Yes, security gates have now put paid to entering the street from the cul de sac end and the entryways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissInformed View Post
    Take a look at this guys.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097822/

    a bit about the film.
    I had never heard of it. Now I am desperate to see it!! grrr!
    There was also a docu-drama shown in October 1975 called Who Killed Julia Wallace? I'll never forget seeing it! I was 9 at the time. My mother told me that it happened 'just up the road' from our house. We watched the programme and visited 29 Wolverton Street the very next night. Since then I have been hooked! It was a very good drama. They used the actual locations in Anfield and the cast were unknown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark R View Post
    There was also a docu-drama shown in October 1975 called Who Killed Julia Wallace? I'll never forget seeing it! I was 9 at the time. My mother told me that it happened 'just up the road' from our house. We watched the programme and visited 29 Wolverton Street the very next night. Since then I have been hooked! It was a very good drama. They used the actual locations in Anfield and the cast were unknown.
    grrrrrr im jealous! would love to see it!

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    There was also the one made for t.v. featuring Geoffrey Hughes alias Corries Eddie Yates as a copper - it was in the late 90s I think. Carrie, get yourself the James Murphy book outta the book clearance centre, mind you it was about 2 years ago I got mine from there, very atmospheric though I don't agree with his outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissInformed View Post
    grrrrrr im jealous! would love to see it!
    I emailed ITV last year to get them to reshow that thing. Never got a reply. Maybe a few of us should make a concerted effort to get them to air it again. Alternatively, I think their Archives department will happily provide a VHS/DVD of it for about 200 !!!

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    The back entry of Wolverton st. Couldn't get in to take a closer shot as it is alleygated. I'll take one of the street next time I'm passing.

    The Wallace house is on the right of the photo where the furthest bin is.
    There is actually another narrow alley which cuts across the middle ( see in 2nd attachment.)
    These alley gates are very restricting when it comes to taking photies.
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    Wolverton st, how it looks today.

    1st view looking up the street from Richmond Park.
    2nd view looks down from the cul-de-sac end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    The back entry of Wolverton st. Couldn't get in to take a closer shot as it is alleygated. I'll take one of the street next time I'm passing.

    The Wallace house is on the right of the photo where the furthest bin is.
    There is actually another narrow alley which cuts across the middle ( see in 2nd attachment.)
    These alley gates are very restricting when it comes to taking photies.
    Great pics, Lindy. Thanks! I was wondering about your mention of the back entries now being "alleygated." Is this now a general thing in Liverpool and other British cities? I can remember playing in the "jiggers" when I was a little boy -- we lived on Bromley Avenue near Greenbank Park for a while, and that's the specific location I remember from that time -- and later sneaking down a back entry from a girlfriend's in the Kensington area when I was a teenager.

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    Yes, all the alleyways are gated in L'pool Not sure about elsewhere.

    The trouble is that you can't take short cuts now. You have to go all around the world to get from A to B.

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    A small price to pay though because it also means that housebreakers and muggers also can't take the shortcuts now nor use the cover of darkness or off street means to partake in their dusk activities and as such, burglaries have now decreased. There's also no bin bag dumping. It's a pain in the bladder for us chaps who are caught short though .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    A small price to pay though because it also means that housebreakers and muggers also can't take the shortcuts now nor use the cover of darkness or off street means to partake in their dusk activities and as such, burglaries have now decreased. There's also no bin bag dumping. It's a pain in the bladder for us chaps who are caught short though .
    There are a few alleys though that arent gated due to objections. In effect what the council did was illegal and if somebody objected, they couldnt go ahead. Its only recent legislation that has allowed for compulsory gating if the council and police can show its necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    There was also the one made for t.v. featuring Geoffrey Hughes alias Corries Eddie Yates as a copper - it was in the late 90s I think. Carrie, get yourself the James Murphy book outta the book clearance centre, mind you it was about 2 years ago I got mine from there, very atmospheric though I don't agree with his outcome.

    Yes - that was The Man from the Pru. I believe it was made in 1989. The book clearance don't have any more copies as of James Murphy's book as far as I'm aware. I agree with you though Ged - it is a great book, but I don't agree with Murphy's verdict.


    Re: Who Killed Julia Wallace
    I actually wrote to Yorkshire TV (it was actually made by them) but did not recieve anything of note. Yes, I also wrote to the TV archive and the cost would come to over 250. I'm sure the programme was aired again in the early 80's.

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    Just remembered another Wallace documentary aired. Does anyone remember Bloody Murder? It was hosted by Corrie's Lee Boardman and appeared in 2004. There were some good episodes in the series, including The Wallace and Maybrick Cases. The Wallace episode centred around the probable outcome that it was RG Parry who committed the offence. I'm not really convinced of Parry's guilt though...

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    If the bloodied glove in the car is to be believed then I'd have to go with the RGP option as there could be no other explaination that he was in on it somewhere (even if he'd lent his car out)

    I remember John McArdle (ex Brookside) doing a murder series which included a murder down by Pall Mall and a body being pushed in a wheelbarrow in a sack and being dumped in the canal was mentioned but can't remember that other one.

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    Default Parry 'Alibi'

    I agree that Parry shouldn't be removed from the equation - I know he had an alibi for the evening of the killing, and also the time of the phone call the night before, but these could be fabricated. I'm just not convinced that it was him though. He was interviewed at Tuebrook Police Station and was discovered to not have any blood on him - (or is this part of the conspiracy?). John Parkes seemed so adamant that Parry was guilty of something...

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    Do you give any credence to Tom Slemen's John Johnstone theory?

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    I didn't at first - but I think on the possibilities in this case, that they could have committed the crime. I have never been 100% sure of the guilt of WHW, especially the complete lack of bloodstaining on his person (and I must say that James Murphy's theory didn't convince me that Wallace took a bath either).There are lots of points that I would address though to Tom Slemen, as I am not too convinced of his theory...
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