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    I think TS is just throwing yet another theory "based on hearsay" from "somebody who knows somebody" into the mix to sell another one of his books. In all the books and articles I have read on the subject the neighbours were dismissed immediately as suspects.
    Didn't the Johnston's children/grandchildren complain the last time TS alluded to the Johnstons as the murderers?

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    So Tom Slemen must believe the Johnstons came up with the elaborate Qualtrough plan?

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    Well if Tom Slemen says so - I believe!

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    He does indeed Lizzie, saying that Mr Johnston made the call, he admitted it to Stan - apparently?

    Prefab, that is correct that the relatives of the Johnstons, whom MarkR and myself met at a talk on the subject a year or so ago were very angry about the accusations which is why I was surprised they appeared in the book, though i'm sure TS would have checked out that it was quite alright and proper to include everu possible angle.

    With this theory though comes the ruling out of absolutely everything we've ever discussed about Parry - unless he was in on it to with the Johnstons but he goes unmentioned by TS.
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    Tom Slemen has a knack for telling a good tale... but I thought this was supposed to be an historical investigation...

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    Well John, he'll no doubt tell you his take on it is worth the paper it's written on. MarkR has told me he is sure that Mr Johnston was at work on the docks when the Qualtrough call was made, I wasn't even aware he was questioned so thoroughly but Mark is THE MAN on this subject.
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    The interest in this case never ceases to amaze.....not sure if this has been posted before but...........

    (good apart form the footy result!)

    My night of passion with Celtic sleuth
    By Clive Tyldesley 12:00AM GMT 31 Dec 2001


    This may not be the best time for me to confess to my part in an illicit night out that Martin O'Neill once enjoyed on the eve of a match on Merseyside. I have lived with the secret for more than 20 years, and it might seem a little opportunist to be suddenly spilling the beans on the eve of Celtic's UEFA Cup quarter-final against Liverpool, and amid scurrilous speculation that O'Neill is himself Anfield bound. But I can remain quiet for no longer.


    It was in 1981, and Norwich City were staying at the Holiday Inn in Paradise Street for a Friday night rest ahead of a crucial relegation match at Everton. I surreptitiously spirited O'Neill out of the hotel following the team's evening meal, and drove him to an unassuming terraced house in Wolverton Street, Anfield, less than a mile from the Liverpool ground. I did not enter the property with him, but waited in my car until he had completed his business. We then proceeded to two other addresses in the city before I returned him to the hotel around 10pm.


    Mercifully, Norwich did win the match at Goodison the following day, but my conscience now feels duty bound to report that there was a woman involved.


    That the poor lady in question had been murdered at the house some 50 years earlier is the clue to O'Neill's secret visit. The Celtic manager had once embarked upon a law degree course at Queen's University in Belfast but football came calling on his young life and whisked him away to win a Championship and a European Cup in Nottingham. He has never lost his fascination with crime and justice, though.


    Legal eagles will tell you that the killing of Julia Wallace in the front room of 29 Wolverton Street in 1931 gave rise to the extraordinary precedent of a jury's guilty verdict being overturned by the Court of Appeal. Learned reconsideration decided that her husband, William, could not have butchered her to death, then raced to a nearby tram stop during the 25-minute window between sightings of him. I can only agree. How come? Well, Martin took me to the site of that tram stop, and then led me on a wild goose chase for an imaginary road called Menlove Gardens East that was a crucial part of William Wallace's dubious alibi. It was a long and fascinating night.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/477...ic-sleuth.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    He does indeed Lizzie, saying that Mr Johnston made the call, he admitted it to Stan - apparently?

    Prefab, that is correct that the relatives of the Johnstons, whom MarkR and myself met at a talk on the subject a year or so ago were very angry about the accusations which is why I was surprised they appeared in the book, though i'm sure TS would have checked out that it was quite alright and proper to include everu possible angle.

    With this theory though comes the ruling out of absolutely everything we've ever discussed about Parry - unless he was in on it to with the Johnstons but he goes unmentioned by TS.
    Thanks for that Ged I suppose similar to Parry being named it was only done after they died as you can't libel the deceased, look forward to reading it though as it has been said TS tells a good tale

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    I bet there's no evidence to support Tom Slemen's pointing the finger at Mr Johnston. If I was related to Mr Johnston I'd be absolutely furious at this story. I'm sorry if there are any TS fans on here, but personally I think his books are rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burkhilly View Post
    If I was related to Mr Johnston I'd be absolutely furious at this story. I'm sorry if there are any TS fans on here, but personally I think his books are rubbish.
    The same thing applies with the Marsden family
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    Why don't we wait and see? Maybe there's more factual evidence linking Marsden to the crime....give the book its fair shot. I'll be the first to criticize it if there's not supporting evidence. But as of now we don't know...whereas with Slemen we know he has no facts just a bizarre hearsay and poorly fleshed out theory.

    Anyways, the Johnston theory boggles the mind with its sheer implausibility...if I was a relative of his...I'd just let the poorly constructed theory speak for itself....I mean a cat as a lure...really? I'd say of all the theories out there...this is the most ridiculous.

    The Johnston's moved out the next day which is probably what directed Slemen to this. Besides that, there's nothing that even hints at their guilt. And you could argue that they would never move out if guilty. Most likely, they couldn't stand living next to a constant murder investigation.

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    Jack Johnston? I thought the guy was called John?

    Ah, found Geds site about it and that says Jack. Was Ts calling him John at first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Jack Johnston? I thought the guy was called John?

    Ah, found Geds site about it and that says Jack. Was Ts calling him John at first?
    Max, his name was John but he was also known as Jack. His full name was John Sharpe Johnston. I'm sure Slemen has slipped from one to the other through time.
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    Jack is often used as a nickname for John, like the way Peggy is a nickname for Margaret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark R View Post
    Max, his name was John but he was also known as Jack. His full name was John Sharpe Johnston. I'm sure Slemen has slipped from one to the other through time.
    Ah, I was just reading that thread as well and spotted your post with Johnston's full name and thought he got the name wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    Jack is often used as a nickname for John, like the way Peggy is a nickname for Margaret.
    And I only found out this week Buffy is short for Elizabeth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Ah, I was just reading that thread as well and spotted your post with Johnston's full name and thought he got the name wrong.
    Although it isn't unusual for Tom Slemen to get things wrong
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    I enjoy reading his books for the local content, but I certainly would not consider them reference guides to the subjects.His stories are like Chineese whispers, having passed by word of mouth down the years they are far removed from the original tale.....but still entertaining.
    If he is still writing in 50 years time he will have the August riots down as a city paralized and trembling in terror as gangs of armed thugs roam the city at will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prefrab View Post
    And I only found out this week Buffy is short for Elizabeth
    I didn't know that one.

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    he will have the August riots down as a city paralized and trembling in terror as gangs of armed thugs roam the city at will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    I didn't know that one.

    ---------- Post added at 08:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:49 AM ----------



    Yep discovered it via BBC4's Only Connect quiz

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    I believe 'Buffy' was the Queen Mother's nickname......... not sure if she was a Vampire Slayer?!

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    Well, you learn something new every day !

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    Well, you learn something new every day !
    It comes from years of pub quizzes!...........full of useless information!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizzie1 View Post
    I believe 'Buffy' was the Queen Mother's nickname......... not sure if she was a Vampire Slayer?!
    No wonder her favourite meal was steak

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    Footnotes/updates have now been added to the Wallace page on my site after the most recent discussions and findings on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark R View Post
    There is still no evidence though to say that Parry WAS Qualtrough Ian! I cannot believe Wallace didn't know Julia's correct age. The photo we all know of Julia was more than likely taken many years before - maybe 30 years before - she certainly doesn't look older than 40 on it (well I don't think so anyway).
    On the contrary, I still think one of the Anfield Housebreaker's is still a viable possibility. I have to say, there is no proof that it was one burglar targeting the area. Many people (a lot of them elderly) have and still allow complete strangers into their homes. A stranger could have told Julia that he was Qualtrough and that he has called on Wallace and that he could wait for his return...It is not an impossibility. After bludgeoning her to death he could have been caught in an overwhelming state of panic and fled - the only doubt I have about that is the lack of blood outside the room...Surely a fleeing killer would have left traces...or if he didn't, then Wallace didn't (which drives me around the bend thinking how he managed to avoid spatter, something which I cannot believe!!)
    I'm just not convinced that Wallace would devise such a plan with an accomplice when he could have dispatched her in a much easier method - and without anyone else knowing.
    With regards to Parkes - he said he was scared of Parry, yet said to his face he didn't trust him. It doesn't sound like he was that scared of him. Yes, it is possible for a deep rooted hatred to fester for 50 years. I'm not saying Parkes was making it up - maybe he wasn't - but I find it ludicrous that a guilty Parry would have disclosed his connection with a murder,
    saying to Parkes regarding the glove; 'if they found that it would hang me...' Hey maybe it was Parkes in collusion with Wallace thereby framing Parry. Parkes worked late at night giving him time to execute the phone call and the murder
    Having a read through this thread again and the controversy over Julia's age is interesting. None of the articles I've read ever mention it and wouldn't funeral services and such be checking up this info?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Having a read through this thread again and the controversy over Julia's age is interesting. None of the articles I've read ever mention it and wouldn't funeral services and such be checking up this info?
    The crux of it is though, whilst she was alive, it is supposed that William knew nothing of this age deception and could his finding out about it have been a cause for murder? I'm not sure even in death whether the funeral directors need to know such things in detail, only what you tell them. However, the registrar making out the death certificate may look up the records. Perhaps someone might know for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Having a read through this thread again and the controversy over Julia's age is interesting. None of the articles I've read ever mention it and wouldn't funeral services and such be checking up this info?
    I'm pretty sure the funeral services did not check up on the information regarding Julia's correct age. The police didn't even do it during their investigations either.
    I am sure if Julia's accurate age would have come to light the police would have used it: a) As a possible (but tenuous) motive - difference in age, and b) It could also throw doubts on Wallace's character - being party to lying and of a fraudulent nature (it could be argued that he didn't know Julia's actual age but I think he did)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark R View Post
    I'm pretty sure the funeral services did not check up on the information regarding Julia's correct age. The police didn't even do it during their investigations either.
    I am sure if Julia's accurate age would have come to light the police would have used it: a) As a possible (but tenuous) motive - difference in age, and b) It could also throw doubts on Wallace's character - being party to lying and of a fraudulent nature (it could be argued that he didn't know Julia's actual age but I think he did)
    I feel the age discrepancy is not relevant. Even today some men and women keep their true ages from their partners, and in a lot of cases it only comes to light after their death, and as for a motive for murder from all accounts they had a stable amicable marriage, and what gain would Wallace have from her death, particularly as during any investigation her true age would then come to light.The other thing to remember is that as "Victorians" large age difference between married couples was not unusual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prefrab View Post
    I feel the age discrepancy is not relevant. Even today some men and women keep their true ages from their partners, and in a lot of cases it only comes to light after their death, and as for a motive for murder from all accounts they had a stable amicable marriage, and what gain would Wallace have from her death, particularly as during any investigation her true age would then come to light.The other thing to remember is that as "Victorians" large age difference between married couples was not unusual.
    Note I did say a 'tenuous' motive
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