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    Walking along Lime st.,the other day,I noticed this building next to the "Big House"! I thought it was part of the pub that wasn't used,but on closer inspection,it seems to be seperate premises,and also that a dividing wall runs up through the line of the windows,(arrowed in red) suggesting that the frontage,is different to the building behind! What was there originally,anyone here know?


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    The 'extra' wall is running structural support up through the building. Something that must not have been needed when it was built. Or more weight has been added, or the whole thing was falling down and this was the cheapest way to stabalise the block. IMO
    You could check the records at the Planning and Building Control Depts at the council.

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    It looks as if you will have to pop along to the office to check this out as the online data is from 2000 on, only.

    http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Environm...ning/index.asp

    Good luck.

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    Well spotted Steve. The roofline would suggest it's part of the Big House building but it's strange that a wall runs up behind a window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Well spotted Steve. The roofline would suggest it's part of the Big House building but it's strange that a wall runs up behind a window.
    I've been puzzled by this building.
    Yes, the roofline seems to be part of The Vines, but the size of the windows match the other building, and it's of the same age (1840s?), and why have the windows been given extra decoration?
    The Vines was rebuilt in 1907.
    The building in question is 79 Lime Street (check your street directories).
    It's not listed in the 1968 Kelly's, so was probably unoccupied even then.
    I'm sure a light bulb is on at night.
    I never noticed that wall before.
    Well spotted, Steve.

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    I've just checked the 1900 Gore's.
    77 to 87 Lime Street was The Vines.

    It's strange that the 'new' Vines didn't incorporate 79.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Sharples View Post
    I've been puzzled by this building.
    Yes, the roofline seems to be part of The Vines, but the size of the windows match the other building, and it's of the same age (1840s?), and why have the windows been given extra decoration?
    The Vines was rebuilt in 1907.
    The building in question is 79 Lime Street (check your street directories).
    It's not listed in the 1968 Kelly's, so was probably unoccupied even then.
    I'm sure a light bulb is on at night.
    I never noticed that wall before.
    Well spotted, Steve.
    The 'problem' seems to be with the white box on the roof. Odd that it is built between the eaves of the pub and the frontage, but nevertheless it is the left hand wall of this white box that is supported by this new wall/pier. Water tank?

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    My guess it was an allyway leading to the side of the bighouse at sometime? a courtyard,throughfare.

    Bit like Thomas Rigbys in Dale St,the thoroughfare uns up the side of it.

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    ''In 1907, Walkers took over and rebuilt it in this exuberant baroque style.''

    This would suggest it was just more than the interior that was refurbished
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    Whatever,Ged.

    There's summat nagging away in the back of me mind that those doors where not there at one time and wrought Iron railings gates were there? can't find a pic to see if there was.

    late 60's? I used to walk past it to sign on in job office on renshaw street and this is where that nagging thing is coming back to me.

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    You could be right there. It looks like an added frontage, set forward a little from the original face?
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    The more I think about it the more I'm convinced it was an enclosed courtyard where the draymen took the cask/barells in?

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    That white tank? is still on the roof back then. Not sure it's a street sign though George because if you look directly below it, it looks in fact like steps leading up into a doorway?

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    BTW

    What we need is...

    Ye Olde Google Street Map.

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    Can't confirm that the first Vines was built in 1867, but it was demolished and replaced in 1907.
    Old postcards show the previous building.
    The postcard George provided shows that the building to the left (75) had the same sort of decorated windows.
    (Don't understand why that postcard is watermarked!)
    An alleyway seems unlikely on such a busy road.

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    I'mnot saying it was an allyway more of a courtyard to the back of two premeis? some buidings had extensions over shops and in victorian times these extensions were numbered ie lets say it was #75 the extenion above the premisess would therefore be # 75a if it belonged to #75 street level.

    I shall seek and I shall find. there was definatly wrought iron gates before the doors were there in the pic steve posted I'llwager a bet on it.

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    It was part of a pub called the Pavilion.
    It's shown on the 1890 map, and occupied all the site between the Scala and The Vines.

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    No such lluck on finding it from the 70's face on.

    Only this and its just out of range in the pic....

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    is this image courtesy of Liverpool Records Office George?

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    I would think it was...but there yer go deleted.

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    I suppose it might have been an idea to ask for some info' in the pub,itself,and maybe even get some pic's!? I'm more curious than ever now,and wonder if it is, anything to do with the pub',especially as Quentin said there was a light left on? Thanks to all!

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    Well whatever the mystery about the wall and the frontage you bet yer life it occured between the war years and when the new frontage got added because the last photo I posted and deleted showed extensive
    bomb damage right next door up to the picture house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    Well whatever the mystery about the wall and the frontage you bet yer life it occured between the war years and when the new frontage got added because the last photo I posted and deleted showed extensive
    bomb damage right next door up to the picture house.
    Sorry George,it was gone before I saw it,pity!

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    Though not really the same situation as next door,there are some similarities with the old "Futurist" cinema which shows signs of "movement" of it's frontage,as evidenced by the hoarding that extends to the building on the left of the pic',so it looks like it incorporated a shop of some sort?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Though not really the same situation as next door,there are some similarities with the old "Futurist" cinema which shows signs of "movement" of it's frontage,as evidenced by the hoarding that extends to the building on the left of the pic',so it looks like it incorporated a shop of some sort?!
    Might not there have been shops either side of the entrance on street level, one of which incorporated the spce next door? The entrance being no more than a broad stairway leading to a foyer on the first floor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oudeis View Post
    Might not there have been shops either side of the entrance on street level, one of which incorporated the spce next door? The entrance being no more than a broad stairway leading to a foyer on the first floor?
    True,but the hoarding continues to the next building,on the left. Just an example of "movement" as it were!

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    The building on the right looks like it has over-indulged.

    [Zap, or someone posted a nice holloween pic of pumpkins in much the same state a while back]

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